se vuelve ingrato

English translation: becomes a persona non grata

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Spanish term or phrase:se vuelve ingrato
English translation:becomes a persona non grata
Entered by: Manuel Aburto

23:47 Apr 22, 2020
Spanish to English translations [PRO]
Law/Patents - Law: Taxation & Customs / Taxation
Spanish term or phrase: se vuelve ingrato
Hola,

Otra consulta
Ahora, retomando el tema de la consideración de Delito Base o Delito Precedente para el Blanqueo de Capitales, los Delitos contra el Tesoro Nacional, podemos inferir hay un gran avance, en materia de Compliance, pues vuelve muy severas las consecuencias por este tipo de delitos. Ya que imaginemos que alguien con un antecedente de investigación por Blanqueo de Capitales, **se vuelve ingrato** para el sistema financiero, pudiendo fácilmente ser nominado a las famosas listas grises.

My try:

"... becomes ineligible for the financial system"

Sin embargo, me da la impresión que mi traducción está incompleta.

De antemano, gracias!
Manuel Aburto
Nicaragua
Local time: 07:07
becomes a persona non grata
Explanation:
I would suggest

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or: gray/grey-listed

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Una lista gris o greylist es una técnica para el control de mensajes spam. Es un método de defensa que bloquea la mayoría de los spam que se reciben en un ...

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I think that links up with both ideas... becomes a persona non grata and could easily be grey/gray-listed

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"gray" (US) "grey" (UK)

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and when shall the twain e'r meet...

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and "persona non grata" without the article is better I agree
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David Hollywood
Local time: 10:07
Grading comment
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Summary of answers provided
3 +6becomes a persona non grata
David Hollywood
4 +2undesirable
Paulina Sobelman
4 -2becomes in breach of the financial system regulations
Francois Boye
3 -3he became abhorred
Juan Arturo Blackmore Zerón
Summary of reference entries provided
Became persona non grata
neilmac

Discussion entries: 11





  

Answers


3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
undesirable


Explanation:
La traducción literal de ingrato es "ungrateful", pero dado que hablamos de evasión de impuestos para mi el sentido del adjetivo que se busca es más "indeseable" en español.

Yo diría "becomes undesirable for the financial system" or "becomes a persona non grata for the financial system", ya que en el contexto de ese párrafo me atrevo a decirte que incluso el térnino en español está empleado de forma curiosa, puesto que, según la RAE, ingrato es aquel que no agradece lo que ha recibido previamente.
https://dle.rae.es/ingrato

Paulina Sobelman
Spain
Local time: 15:07
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in SpanishSpanish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Robert Carter: Yes, undesirable is the idea, plus you already mentioned "persona non grata" first, if others thought that was a better translation. I think "off-putting" would be a good choice too.
15 hrs
  -> Thank you

agree  Tomasso: indeseable, me parece Persona existe tmb pero diplomatic term,https://context.reverso.net/traduzione/italiano-spagnolo/osp...
16 hrs
  -> Bueno, persona non grata se usa a veces fuera del contexto diplomático, pero no lo había oído en finanzas. No sé. Gracias.
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -2
becomes in breach of the financial system regulations


Explanation:
(Derecho Civil) Causa de revocación de las liberalidades cuando el agraciado ha atentado contra la vida del donante, o se ha hecho culpable ante él de crueldades, delitos o injurias graves, o se ha negado a proveerlo de alimentos. V. Indignidad para suceder.

Source: Enciclopedia Juridica

Francois Boye
United States
Local time: 09:07
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 44

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Lydia De Jorge: A person does not "become in breach". This is not proper English! Also, your explanation is not relevant to the context.
1 day 14 hrs

disagree  Taña Dalglish: Again! https://fichtelegal.com/tag/persona-non-grata/ (financial context). Francois: How tall are you in m? (Serious question!)
1 day 15 hrs
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -3
he became abhorred


Explanation:
https://books.google.com.mx/books?id=EVjrAgAAQBAJ&pg=PT42&lp...

Juan Arturo Blackmore Zerón
Mexico
Local time: 08:07
Native speaker of: Spanish
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Lydia De Jorge: Perhaps if you took the time to read the context you could provide a reasonable suggestion. Definition of abhor. transitive verb. : to regard with extreme repugnance : to feel hatred or loathing for : loathe abhorred violence.
2 hrs

disagree  Taña Dalglish: Juan: The Histories Book 2: Euterpe??? In addition to what a colleague said above in disagreeing, one does not "become abhorred", it is "one is abhorred". However, 90% of your suggestions appear to be just "let me try a thing", and are often misleading
8 hrs

disagree  Wilsonn Perez Reyes: Juan, con todo mi respeto. No se trata de contestar por contestar. Con eso solo ganas desprestigio en esta comunidad, porque si alguien se toma el tiempo de revisar tus respuestas se llevará una desagradable sorpresa.
20 hrs
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4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +6
becomes a persona non grata


Explanation:
I would suggest

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or: gray/grey-listed

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Una lista gris o greylist es una técnica para el control de mensajes spam. Es un método de defensa que bloquea la mayoría de los spam que se reciben en un ...

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Note added at 4 hrs (2020-04-23 03:55:49 GMT)
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I think that links up with both ideas... becomes a persona non grata and could easily be grey/gray-listed

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Note added at 4 hrs (2020-04-23 03:57:23 GMT)
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"gray" (US) "grey" (UK)

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and when shall the twain e'r meet...

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and "persona non grata" without the article is better I agree

David Hollywood
Local time: 10:07
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 150

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Reuben Wright: This is a good equivalent phrase.
41 mins
  -> thanks Reuben appreciated

agree  Lydia De Jorge
2 hrs
  -> gracias/thanks Lydia

agree  neilmac: No article required (= became persona non grata)...
3 hrs
  -> I agree Neil and thanks

agree  Marouchka Heijnen: I agree that no article is required
5 hrs
  -> thanks Marouchka

agree  Paulina Sobelman
6 hrs
  -> thanks/gracias Paulina

agree  Taña Dalglish: Agree with Neil. No article needed. /Francois Boye: See my note addressed to you in the discussion box above // Splitting hairs // diplomacy - absolutely not!
8 hrs
  -> thanks Taña

neutral  Francois Boye: This concept (persona non grata) is relevant to diplomacy, not finance.
11 hrs
  -> thanks Francois but "persona non grata" can (and is) used outside diplomacy
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Reference comments


7 hrs peer agreement (net): +2
Reference: Became persona non grata

Reference information:
The expression is normally used without the indefinite article "a", as in the examples below...

Example sentence(s):
  • Brad Pitt became persona non grata in the People's Republic of China...

    https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/sentences-with-the-word/persona_non_grata.html
    https://opil.ouplaw.com/view/10.1093/law/9780198703969.001.0001/law-9780198703969-chapter-10
neilmac
Spain
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 74

Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  Lydia De Jorge
1 day 11 hrs
agree  Taña Dalglish: Absolutely. Continue to stay very safe, Neil.
2 days 4 hrs
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