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with Orin's little department
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Hello everyone,
From the movie Fire Down Below (1997).
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119123/characters/nm0000219
Jack Taggert : [as Jack exits the front door of the municipal building, he notices Sheriff Lloyd standing at his car] Good morning, sir, how are you?
[another police car screeches to a stop and the deputies immediately get out]
Lloyd : Taggert, would you come with me, please?
Jack Taggert : You want to go have a coffee, maybe?
Lloyd : I'm not here to socialize. I saw you beat up five men. I hear Cotton is beaten almost to death. People always seem to get hurt when you're around. Assault and battery. I figured it's good for a ten-day lock-up.
Jack Taggert : Listen, why don't we just cut the shit? You know who I am. I can have you arrested just as easy as you can arrest me and you know it. So, why don't you get back in Orin's car ***with Orin's little department*** and take off? Let's face it. I don't believe in your authority.
Jack Taggert is an EPA agent. Lloyd is a corrupt sheriff who works for Orin. Orin is a wealthy businessman and the owner of a big company that dumps toxic waste in a mine near the town where the scene in question takes place.
What does "with Orin's little department" mean?
I asked this question on another forum and two native English speakers shared their opinions.
https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/with-orins-little-de...
Hans in Texas: No doubt the sheriff arrived in an official Sheriff’s Department car. Taggert is saying that the car and the whole Sheriff’s Department are owned and controlled by Orin. The adjective little is Taggert’s attempt to minimalize Orin and his power.
owlman5: This seems fairly odd to me, Michael. I find it hard to imagine that Orin's little department can get into the car with Sheriff Lloyd. I suppose that this might be possible if Orin's department consists of nothing more than one or two people who accompanied Lloyd somewhere for his unpleasant conversation with Taggert.
I am not surprised that translators came up with different interpretations of what that phrase was supposed to mean. I am a native speaker with many years of experience with the language, but I'm not sure what it means. The tone of the conversation is easy to understand, however. Perhaps the screenwriter wrote something that was slightly irrational without being aware of it.
Here is a video featuring this scene (unfortunately, on Wordreference links to videos are not permitted):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tju8VnX_2pI
Can "with Orin's little department" refer to two guys shown at 0.26 and 0.31? One of them has a broken nose and the other has a relatively long hair.
They are not Orin's company employees in the traditional sense of the word, but they do work for him as thugs.
Thank you.
From the movie Fire Down Below (1997).
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119123/characters/nm0000219
Jack Taggert : [as Jack exits the front door of the municipal building, he notices Sheriff Lloyd standing at his car] Good morning, sir, how are you?
[another police car screeches to a stop and the deputies immediately get out]
Lloyd : Taggert, would you come with me, please?
Jack Taggert : You want to go have a coffee, maybe?
Lloyd : I'm not here to socialize. I saw you beat up five men. I hear Cotton is beaten almost to death. People always seem to get hurt when you're around. Assault and battery. I figured it's good for a ten-day lock-up.
Jack Taggert : Listen, why don't we just cut the shit? You know who I am. I can have you arrested just as easy as you can arrest me and you know it. So, why don't you get back in Orin's car ***with Orin's little department*** and take off? Let's face it. I don't believe in your authority.
Jack Taggert is an EPA agent. Lloyd is a corrupt sheriff who works for Orin. Orin is a wealthy businessman and the owner of a big company that dumps toxic waste in a mine near the town where the scene in question takes place.
What does "with Orin's little department" mean?
I asked this question on another forum and two native English speakers shared their opinions.
https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/with-orins-little-de...
Hans in Texas: No doubt the sheriff arrived in an official Sheriff’s Department car. Taggert is saying that the car and the whole Sheriff’s Department are owned and controlled by Orin. The adjective little is Taggert’s attempt to minimalize Orin and his power.
owlman5: This seems fairly odd to me, Michael. I find it hard to imagine that Orin's little department can get into the car with Sheriff Lloyd. I suppose that this might be possible if Orin's department consists of nothing more than one or two people who accompanied Lloyd somewhere for his unpleasant conversation with Taggert.
I am not surprised that translators came up with different interpretations of what that phrase was supposed to mean. I am a native speaker with many years of experience with the language, but I'm not sure what it means. The tone of the conversation is easy to understand, however. Perhaps the screenwriter wrote something that was slightly irrational without being aware of it.
Here is a video featuring this scene (unfortunately, on Wordreference links to videos are not permitted):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tju8VnX_2pI
Can "with Orin's little department" refer to two guys shown at 0.26 and 0.31? One of them has a broken nose and the other has a relatively long hair.
They are not Orin's company employees in the traditional sense of the word, but they do work for him as thugs.
Thank you.
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Orin's corrupt law enforcement department
I tend to agree with WR "Hans in Texas: No doubt the sheriff arrived in an official Sheriff’s Department car. Taggert is saying that the car and the whole Sheriff’s Department are owned and controlled by Orin. The adjective little is Taggert’s attempt to minimalize Orin and his power."
The sheriff's office doesn't have that much power over a federal agent anyway. A sheriff controlled by a wealthy landowner is even less powerful, especially where the Fed has no respect for it at all as here.
I believe he is basically just saying that Orin's "little (law enforcement)
department" (or corrupt Sherriff's Office) is of no consequence, not important, and he is going to pay no heed to it.
I'd say the guys who look beaten up are some of the 5 he is being accused of beating up who have called in the sherriff for help. They are also probably part of the corrupt Orin's set-up.
why don't you get back in Orin's car ***with Orin's little department = just get back in the car, (owned/controlled by Orin), with Orin's other henchmen/puppets/lackeys/minions/stooges and go away and stop annoying me!
Note that "little" shows this "department/office" is of even less importance for him. Aso note Sherriff's Office is also known as Sherrif's Department
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheriffs_in_the_United_States
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another reason for using "little" of course is that sherriffs basically only have control over their own territory (hence a small part of law enforcement), though many rule that department like a little kingdom or are little dicatators within that territorry and/or control it as a puppet for whoever is pulling their strings and lining their pockets, seemingly Orin in this case
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Note added at 2 days 4 hrs (2021-12-31 18:59:25 GMT) Post-grading
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Glad to have helped. Happy New Year!
The sheriff's office doesn't have that much power over a federal agent anyway. A sheriff controlled by a wealthy landowner is even less powerful, especially where the Fed has no respect for it at all as here.
I believe he is basically just saying that Orin's "little (law enforcement)
department" (or corrupt Sherriff's Office) is of no consequence, not important, and he is going to pay no heed to it.
I'd say the guys who look beaten up are some of the 5 he is being accused of beating up who have called in the sherriff for help. They are also probably part of the corrupt Orin's set-up.
why don't you get back in Orin's car ***with Orin's little department = just get back in the car, (owned/controlled by Orin), with Orin's other henchmen/puppets/lackeys/minions/stooges and go away and stop annoying me!
Note that "little" shows this "department/office" is of even less importance for him. Aso note Sherriff's Office is also known as Sherrif's Department
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheriffs_in_the_United_States
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Note added at 57 mins (2021-12-29 15:24:12 GMT)
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another reason for using "little" of course is that sherriffs basically only have control over their own territory (hence a small part of law enforcement), though many rule that department like a little kingdom or are little dicatators within that territorry and/or control it as a puppet for whoever is pulling their strings and lining their pockets, seemingly Orin in this case
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Note added at 2 days 4 hrs (2021-12-31 18:59:25 GMT) Post-grading
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Glad to have helped. Happy New Year!
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you very much, Yvonne, for so clear and detailed explanation! "
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