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expressisverbis
Portugal
Local time: 12:47
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INICIO DE TEMA
That same participant on Kudoz didn't answer any more questions in Portuguese terminology after that question I recently asked on Kudoz.
The suggestion given showed that this person actually doesn't master the language (PT), because all that she did was using my hint/suggestion indicated in the question, and to me this is clearly a kind of opportunistic/cheating behaviour.
But there are also many other participants who, because they work with Spanish or have more direct contact with... See more That same participant on Kudoz didn't answer any more questions in Portuguese terminology after that question I recently asked on Kudoz.
The suggestion given showed that this person actually doesn't master the language (PT), because all that she did was using my hint/suggestion indicated in the question, and to me this is clearly a kind of opportunistic/cheating behaviour.
But there are also many other participants who, because they work with Spanish or have more direct contact with Portuguese, think they know/master deeply the Portuguese language, whether it's PT-PT or PT-BR, but most part of the time their suggestions are no more than just rubbish. But this is another story and I think this happens in other linguistic pairs.
[Edited at 2025-03-20 15:59 GMT] ▲ Collapse
| | | | expressisverbis
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Local time: 12:47
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INICIO DE TEMA | Stay on topic please. | Mar 20 |
jyuan_us wrote:
For an answer to be entered into the glossary, it has to be selected by the asker as the most helpful one.
While it cannot be ruled out that some askers cannot tell the difference between right and wrong, most askers would be able to select the right/appropriate/most helpful answer. It is rare for inaccurate answers generated with AI to be selected as the most helpful ones, thus, it is not very likely an inaccurate answer would be included in the glossary.
I think you're completely missing the point.
The issue isn't just about glossary entries; it’s about someone who isn’t qualified answering terminology questions, potentially misleading askers, and using the platform for self-promotion.
Stick to the subject please.
Thank you.
[Edited at 2025-03-20 16:12 GMT]
| | | | jyuan_us 
United States
Local time: 07:47
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| I was just pointing out an invalid statement in a post | Mar 20 |
expressisverbis wrote:
jyuan_us wrote:
For an answer to be entered into the glossary, it has to be selected by the asker as the most helpful one.
While it cannot be ruled out that some askers cannot tell the difference between right and wrong, most askers would be able to select the right/appropriate/most helpful answer. It is rare for inaccurate answers generated with AI to be selected as the most helpful ones, thus, it is not very likely an inaccurate answer would be included in the glossary.
I think you're completely missing the point.
The issue isn't just about glossary entries; it’s about someone who isn’t qualified answering terminology questions, potentially misleading askers, and using the platform for self-promotion.
Stick to the subject please.
Thank you. [Edited at 2025-03-20 16:12 GMT]
Is my point totally off topic?
[Edited at 2025-03-20 21:18 GMT]
| | | | jyuan_us
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Post removed because it is off topic.
[Edited at 2025-03-20 21:48 GMT]
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jyuan_us wrote:
expressisverbis wrote:
jyuan_us wrote:
For an answer to be entered into the glossary, it has to be selected by the asker as the most helpful one.
While it cannot be ruled out that some askers cannot tell the difference between right and wrong, most askers would be able to select the right/appropriate/most helpful answer. It is rare for inaccurate answers generated with AI to be selected as the most helpful ones, thus, it is not very likely an inaccurate answer would be included in the glossary.
I think you're completely missing the point.
The issue isn't just about glossary entries; it’s about someone who isn’t qualified answering terminology questions, potentially misleading askers, and using the platform for self-promotion.
Stick to the subject please.
Thank you. [Edited at 2025-03-20 16:12 GMT]
Is my point totally off topic? [Edited at 2025-03-20 21:18 GMT]
Glossaries aren't the main issue/problem, so yes, it's off-topic.
As @Sandra already said, the main issue/problem here is a possible inappropriate participation on Kudoz, so inappropriate that it even involves inaccurate replies made with AI.
Then Kudoz glossaries are just one consequence, but not the only one, and not the more serious. I think it's a much more serious consequence the unclear use of an alleged “person” profile for promoting an agency/LSP via earning Kudoz points.
It sets a precedent that must be issued before we start seeing more fake “persons,” profiles repeating the pattern.
| | | | expressisverbis
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Local time: 12:47
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I read the post you have deleted and let me tell you the following:
I’ve been a member of this forum long enough to know how it works, I'm well aware of the reporting options, and one of the moderators is also aware of this behaviour, so patronizing comments are unnecessary.
I have reported the issue here and to the support team as well, and one of the members of the staff has been responding. I'm just waiting to hear back from the staff on my last question.
However, as it ha... See more I read the post you have deleted and let me tell you the following:
I’ve been a member of this forum long enough to know how it works, I'm well aware of the reporting options, and one of the moderators is also aware of this behaviour, so patronizing comments are unnecessary.
I have reported the issue here and to the support team as well, and one of the members of the staff has been responding. I'm just waiting to hear back from the staff on my last question.
However, as it has being discussed in this thread by many of our colleagues, this issue isn’t about isolated cases.
The issue is with a member repeatedly answering terminology questions across multiple language pairs where that participant lacks the necessary linguistic expertise/knowledge.
This behavior compromises the quality of the forum, and it’s not something that should be overlooked.
My concern isn’t about individual answers, but about setting a precedent that could affect the whole community (translators and agencies) due the fact that the person is representing a company or at least appears to represent it.
I hope I've been clear! ▲ Collapse
| | | | | Kudoz for promotion | Mar 21 |
Here's another example of inappropriate Kudoz participation from today > https://www.proz.com/kudoz/english/other/7213522-what-is-mdm.html
I think Proz staff **must** review the issue talked in this thread ASAP as it seems the inappropriate use of Kudoz could be spreading across multiple languages and profiles.
I'm still waiting for a repl... See more Here's another example of inappropriate Kudoz participation from today > https://www.proz.com/kudoz/english/other/7213522-what-is-mdm.html
I think Proz staff **must** review the issue talked in this thread ASAP as it seems the inappropriate use of Kudoz could be spreading across multiple languages and profiles.
I'm still waiting for a reply on my report. ▲ Collapse
| | | | ibz
Local time: 13:47
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| Not sure ProZ cares that much | Mar 21 |
What is going on now is clearly an abuse of this system but I don't think that Proz cares that much. I fought a battle for months to ban ChatGPT from participating in KudoZ, supported by many other me... See more What is going on now is clearly an abuse of this system but I don't think that Proz cares that much. I fought a battle for months to ban ChatGPT from participating in KudoZ, supported by many other members (some of you may remember this thread, https://www.proz.com/forum/prozcom_suggestions/363811-please_remove_chatgpt_option_from_kudoz.html).
It was not exactly the same problem but had similar consequences: it's very clear that completely nonsensical entries provided by ChatGPT found their way into the glossary.
Meanwhile, I am no longer a paying member of ProZ, which does a lot for my nerves ▲ Collapse
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expressisverbis
Portugal
Local time: 12:47
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INICIO DE TEMA
Today I've submitted a new support ticket to the support team, expressing my disappointment, frustration and displeasure at how the site has been working and at how little or nothing has been done in relation to this matter and other issues.
I thought I should reproduce it here, as it seems to me that this is not just one problem, but several happening at the same time and all interconnected, and I have seen little or no improvement:
"Hello!
I am writing to expres... See more Today I've submitted a new support ticket to the support team, expressing my disappointment, frustration and displeasure at how the site has been working and at how little or nothing has been done in relation to this matter and other issues.
I thought I should reproduce it here, as it seems to me that this is not just one problem, but several happening at the same time and all interconnected, and I have seen little or no improvement:
"Hello!
I am writing to express my concerns about ongoing issues that are negatively impacting the community.
These include technical problems, questionable participation in KudoZ, job listing quality control, and a lack of professional moderation in forums. While ProZ staff has stated it takes reports seriously, many of these concerns remain unresolved.
Below is a detailed list of the issues. I’d appreciate a response outlining what steps ProZ is taking to address them.
Technical problems – Frequent 503 errors (and 500 error - I got it a few minutes ago on Kudoz!), slow verification processes, and notifications that arrive too late or not at all disrupt the user experience. These issues have been ongoing for years with little visible improvement.
Example: I have received this Kudoz question a few minutes today. It was posted on 17th March:
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/english-to-portuguese/law-general/7213181-técnica-judiciária-rf.html
Quality control in KudoZ – Some members consistently answer terminology questions in language pairs they don’t master, seemingly to boost their visibility rather than contribute meaningfully. Is ProZ taking any steps to maintain the credibility of this resource?
I have submitted a support ticket on this and I still don't have any responses.
Lack of moderation / verification in job postings – Scammers and low-paying job posters continue to operate on the platform. Some members use the forums to self-promote aggressively, raising questions about fairness and professionalism. I do know that you take immediate actions when it comes to scammers, and I thank you for that!
Disrespectful behavior in discussions – While open debate is important, there’s a growing lack of professional courtesy in interactions. Discussions often derail into unnecessary conflict rather than constructive exchange.
ProZ has stated in responding to my reports that you take these issues seriously, but many of them persist with little visible action. So I’d like to ask:
1. Is ProZ Still Prioritizing Its Community?
2. What concrete steps is ProZ taking to address these concerns?
As a long-time user of ProZ, I deeply appreciate the platform and the community it brings together.
However, I can’t help but feel increasingly frustrated with these persistent issues that don’t seem to be properly addressed, and this is going on for a long time.
Also, I believe I'm not alone because this feeling of frustration is general.
Thank you!
Best regards,
Sandra" ▲ Collapse
| | | | jyuan_us
United States
Local time: 07:47
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Maria Laura Curzi wrote:
Glossaries aren't the main issue/problem, so yes, it's off-topic.
It is you who raised the issue by saying "And all these AI inaccurate replies are ending in Kudoz glossaries."
I was just poiting out your wrong statement/misconception/incorrect reasoning related to the issue you brought up yourself.
So you guys can talk about that issue freely, even if using flawed reasoning, and when a member mentions something you don't like, then their post is off-topic?
[Edited at 2025-03-21 17:13 GMT]
| | | | jyuan_us
United States
Local time: 07:47
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| I will leave you guys alone | Mar 21 |
Because this thread doesn't like diffrent opinions, I won't contribute any more.
[Edited at 2025-03-21 17:11 GMT]
| | | | jyuan_us
United States
Local time: 07:47
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expressisverbis wrote:
I read the post you have deleted and let me tell you the following:
I’ve been a member of this forum long enough to know how it works, I'm well aware of the reporting options, and one of the moderators is also aware of this behaviour, so patronizing comments are unnecessary.
I have reported the issue here and to the support team as well, and one of the members of the staff has been responding. I'm just waiting to hear back from the staff on my last question.
However, as it has being discussed in this thread by many of our colleagues, this issue isn’t about isolated cases.
The issue is with a member repeatedly answering terminology questions across multiple language pairs where that participant lacks the necessary linguistic expertise/knowledge.
This behavior compromises the quality of the forum, and it’s not something that should be overlooked.
My concern isn’t about individual answers, but about setting a precedent that could affect the whole community (translators and agencies) due the fact that the person is representing a company or at least appears to represent it.
I hope I've been clear!
I didn't mean to teach you anything. I was just trying to provide a solution. Anyway, I will not reply any more to whatever you would say in this thread.
[Edited at 2025-03-21 17:20 GMT]
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expressisverbis
Portugal
Local time: 12:47
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INICIO DE TEMA
jyuan_us wrote:
expressisverbis wrote:
I read the post you have deleted and let me tell you the following:
I’ve been a member of this forum long enough to know how it works, I'm well aware of the reporting options, and one of the moderators is also aware of this behaviour, so patronizing comments are unnecessary.
I have reported the issue here and to the support team as well, and one of the members of the staff has been responding. I'm just waiting to hear back from the staff on my last question.
However, as it has being discussed in this thread by many of our colleagues, this issue isn’t about isolated cases.
The issue is with a member repeatedly answering terminology questions across multiple language pairs where that participant lacks the necessary linguistic expertise/knowledge.
This behavior compromises the quality of the forum, and it’s not something that should be overlooked.
My concern isn’t about individual answers, but about setting a precedent that could affect the whole community (translators and agencies) due the fact that the person is representing a company or at least appears to represent it.
I hope I've been clear!
I didn't mean to teach you anything. I was just trying to provide a solution. Anyway, I will not reply any more to whatever you would say in this thread. [Edited at 2025-03-21 17:20 GMT]
Your solution: "Instead of discussing the issue to no avail here in the forum, you may just click "Call To This Question" below a question that you have issue with. I'm sure the moderator of your language pair will take action." seems to overlook the fact that many of us, myself included, are well aware of the reporting options available here.
If you haven’t followed this entire discussion, I’d suggest reading through it.
This matter requires a more thoughtful approach than just call a moderator, otherwise I wouldn't be here and send a report ticket to the support team.
The discussion here goes beyond that simple 'solution' you offered. It's about a larger issue affecting the community.
And no worries, there's no reason to get defensive.
If you choose not to engage further, that's perfectly fine. The discussion will continue as it’s necessary for the well-being of the community.
Wishing you a great day!
| | | | expressisverbis
Portugal
Local time: 12:47
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INICIO DE TEMA | Response from the staff: | Mar 24 |
"Thank you for your message and for raising these valid concerns.
To answer your question, KudoZ is open to both individuals and company representatives, as long as they participate transparently and with genuine expertise. I understand that contributions from those without mastery in certain language pairs can be frustrating, and your feedback is very important in helping us maintain quality.
I’ve shared your concerns with the team, and we’ll carefully review this ... See more "Thank you for your message and for raising these valid concerns.
To answer your question, KudoZ is open to both individuals and company representatives, as long as they participate transparently and with genuine expertise. I understand that contributions from those without mastery in certain language pairs can be frustrating, and your feedback is very important in helping us maintain quality.
I’ve shared your concerns with the team, and we’ll carefully review this to ensure participation aligns with the platform’s purpose. I appreciate your dedication to preserving the forum’s credibility, and I’ll be happy to keep you informed of any developments."
I appreciate the team's attention to this and I truly hope they can honour their commitment to reviewing the rules and ensuring that the forum remains a place for high-quality contributions.
Let's hope this leads to positive changes for the benefit of all of us! ▲ Collapse
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expressisverbis wrote:
"Thank you for your message and for raising these valid concerns.
To answer your question, KudoZ is open to both individuals and company representatives, as long as they participate transparently and with genuine expertise. I understand that contributions from those without mastery in certain language pairs can be frustrating, and your feedback is very important in helping us maintain quality.
Current Kudoz rules are very unclear about agencies/companies' participation, and it's not specifically mentioned. Then, this part of the sentence is crucial: “as long as they participate transparently and with genuine expertise” and should be further explained/clarified in the rules update.
Furthermore, I think the “mastery in certain language pairs” is indeed an inner part of the “genuine expertise” needed to participate.
So, rules must be updated to clarify both of these issues.
expressisverbis wrote:
I’ve shared your concerns with the team, and we’ll carefully review this to ensure participation aligns with the platform’s purpose. I appreciate your dedication to preserving the forum’s credibility, and I’ll be happy to keep you informed of any developments."
I appreciate the team's attention to this and I truly hope they can honour their commitment to reviewing the rules and ensuring that the forum remains a place for high-quality contributions.
Let's hope this leads to positive changes for the benefit of all of us!
I fully agree with you, Sandra.
I'll be waiting and watching how this follows up.
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