Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
départ fictif, départ réel
English translation:
neutral start, actual start
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Emma Paulay
Jun 24, 2009 10:50
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French term
départ fictif, départ réel
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Hello,
These terms relate to the cycle race "la Grande Boucle"
as it goes through Agde.
Départ ficitif du peloton
Itineraire.............
........
Départ réel
Entre la passage à niveau et l'écluse ronde du Canal du Midi
Is it something to do with the leading pack setting off separately?
thanks,
Anne
These terms relate to the cycle race "la Grande Boucle"
as it goes through Agde.
Départ ficitif du peloton
Itineraire.............
........
Départ réel
Entre la passage à niveau et l'écluse ronde du Canal du Midi
Is it something to do with the leading pack setting off separately?
thanks,
Anne
Proposed translations
(English)
3 +1 | neutral start, actual start | Emma Paulay |
4 | "show" start, "actual" start | Ysabel812 |
3 | pre-start, (actual) start | Alison MacG |
References
Explanations | Alison MacG |
Change log
Jun 29, 2009 07:00: Emma Paulay Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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neutral start, actual start
"Neutral" seems to be widely used for the "pre" part. Some refs say "neutral zone" too.
Good explanation here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/jul/25/tourdefrance.cyc...
Good explanation here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/jul/25/tourdefrance.cyc...
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3 hrs
pre-start, (actual) start
With thanks to Anne-Marie and Ingeborg, I am now posting an answer on the basis of my reference comment.
I believe that "pre-start" and "actual start" or simply "start" are the terms that would be used in a race timetable in English.
See, e.g.:
Route details
Pre-start 12.10pm Dunkirk
0km 12.25pm Dunkirk (start)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2007/jul/02/guardianspecial4....
LONDRES Pre-start 08:40
Tower Bridge
Cérémonie officielle de départ : 10 h 40
LONDRES (Greenwich) Actual start
http://www.letour.fr/2007/TDF/presentation/us/horaires_100.h...
I believe that "pre-start" and "actual start" or simply "start" are the terms that would be used in a race timetable in English.
See, e.g.:
Route details
Pre-start 12.10pm Dunkirk
0km 12.25pm Dunkirk (start)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2007/jul/02/guardianspecial4....
LONDRES Pre-start 08:40
Tower Bridge
Cérémonie officielle de départ : 10 h 40
LONDRES (Greenwich) Actual start
http://www.letour.fr/2007/TDF/presentation/us/horaires_100.h...
4 hrs
"show" start, "actual" start
As shown in the references provided by AlisonG, the "départ fictif" is for show and is not counted in the competition...
Reference comments
59 mins
Reference:
Explanations
Here are a few references from an English-speaking perspective which may help explain:
DEPART: stage start. Nearby is the Tour’s village départ, which gives sponsors and the media the chance to meet VIP guests and, over a coffee and croissant, to chat with one or two of the Tour’s star names. This assembly point is the départ fictif; the rolling start where the starter’s flag drops is termed the départ reel.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/tennis/article1146600...
Départ: The stage start divides into two separate points. The départ fictif takes place next to the village départ, the start village where the riders are presented and VIPs and hospitality guests gather each morning. This first section is neutral, e.g no rider is allowed to pass the race director's car. The départ réel is the point where race director Christian Prudhomme drops the flag to signal the actual start of the day's racing.
http://www.vorb.org.nz/ftopicp-1791234.html
Mass-start stages
Riders in most stages start together. The first kilometres, the départ fictif, are a rolling start without racing. The real start, the départ réel is announced by the Tour director's waving a white flag.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tour_de_France
The French terms usually seem to be left as they are with some sort of gloss.
DEPART: stage start. Nearby is the Tour’s village départ, which gives sponsors and the media the chance to meet VIP guests and, over a coffee and croissant, to chat with one or two of the Tour’s star names. This assembly point is the départ fictif; the rolling start where the starter’s flag drops is termed the départ reel.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/tennis/article1146600...
Départ: The stage start divides into two separate points. The départ fictif takes place next to the village départ, the start village where the riders are presented and VIPs and hospitality guests gather each morning. This first section is neutral, e.g no rider is allowed to pass the race director's car. The départ réel is the point where race director Christian Prudhomme drops the flag to signal the actual start of the day's racing.
http://www.vorb.org.nz/ftopicp-1791234.html
Mass-start stages
Riders in most stages start together. The first kilometres, the départ fictif, are a rolling start without racing. The real start, the départ réel is announced by the Tour director's waving a white flag.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tour_de_France
The French terms usually seem to be left as they are with some sort of gloss.
Note from asker:
Many thanks, very useful Anne |
Peer comments on this reference comment:
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Enza Longo
: rolling start and real start as per your last ref. (Wikipedia)
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Omar Lima Quintana
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Anne-Marie Grant (X)
: You should post this as an answer.
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Ingeborg Gowans (X)
: w/ Anne-Marie: post it as an answer, please; good research
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Cervin
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