The security of Polish forces

English translation: The security of Polish forces now THAT they are not just allies but participants

14:57 Jul 19, 2010

English language (monolingual) [PRO]
Military / Defense

English term or phrase: The security of Polish forces

This is the source text: The security of Polish forces now they are not just allies but participants in the War on Terror has seen the Israeli government run a number of training programmes for Polish troops over the past decade.

Is it clear for you? In this sentence does "security" mean "safety" or anything else?

katazina KudoZ activity Questions: 18 (none open) (2 closed without grading) Answers: 5
Local time: 06:21

Selected answer:The security of Polish forces now THAT they are not just allies but participants

Explanation:
Missing that

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David Russi
United States
Local time: 22:21

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thanks to everybody!
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4 +2

The security of Polish forces now THAT they are not just allies but participants

David Russi

it seems something is missing

Deborah Hoffman

2 -2

classification or clearance

Bashiqa

Discussion entries: 11

katazina

ASKER

07:12 Jul 21, 2010

Thanks to everybody. It's about the collaboration among Poland, Israel and the USA; the author claims that the Polish troops are now a trustworthy partner due to their engagement in Iraq and Afganistan; that's why the Israelis train them.

British Diana

Germany

Kim and Deborah

18:03 Jul 19, 2010

You say that the sentence can be rewritten thus: "The security of Polish forces has (led to) the Israeli government running a number of training programmes for Polish troops".

Would this be "to see" in the meaning "make sure" as in "Please see that the lights are switched off before you leave" (DCE meaning Nr 22)?
In this case the meaning of the sentence could be that because the Polish troops are now trustworthy (not only allies, also actively fighting against terror), the Israelis think it is worthwhile to train them.
Which is rather the opposite of what you are saying, or have I not quite understood something?

Kim Metzger

Mexico

Bashiqa

15:34 Jul 19, 2010

I think the Polish government was concerned and therefore requested training.

Bashiqa

France

@KM

15:32 Jul 19, 2010

Do we know that the Israelis are 'concerned'?

Deborah Hoffman

15:31 Jul 19, 2010

Yes, that makes sense.

katazina

ASKER

I'm translating a manuscript

15:31 Jul 19, 2010

The author is British. This single sentence is a whole paragraph.

Kim Metzger

Mexico

Deborah

15:27 Jul 19, 2010

Yes, I think it's a British thing and even then somewhat awkward. "The security of Polish forces has seen the Israeli government run a number of training programmes for Polish troops." Better: concern for the security of ... has led to ...

Deborah Hoffman

what does it mean?

15:21 Jul 19, 2010

If the sentence is ok, then what does it mean that the security of Polish forces has seen the Israeli government run training programs? Usually it's either a physical person (security guard) or a time period (the nineteenth century saw a number of revolutions in Europe" that sees something. Or is this a British-US thing? The sentence just does not make sense to me.

David Russi

United States

I agree with Kim

15:19 Jul 19, 2010

Just botched

Kim Metzger

Mexico

Nothing wrong

15:14 Jul 19, 2010

with the sentence. Perfectly standard English. It's a matter of ellipsis: omitting "that" after now.

Stephanie Ezrol

United States

15:06 Jul 19, 2010

The text seems to be an English translation of an original in another language, or not written by a native English speaker. Is that the case? The sentence before and after might help us figure out what the author is saying.

Answers

3 mins confidence:

the security of polish forces it seems something is missing

Explanation:
It makes no sense to say "security...has seen."

Security can also be a guard or guards posted to a particular location such as a store or bank, but is not usually used this way in a military context.

There should also be a "that" after "now."

Deborah Hoffman
Local time: 00:21
Native speaker of: English

4 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

the security of polish forces

The security of Polish forces now THAT they are not just allies but participants

Explanation:
Missing that

David Russi
United States
Local time: 22:21
Native speaker of:

English,

Spanish
PRO pts in category: 4

Grading comment

thanks to everybody!

9 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): -2

the security of polish forces classification or clearance

Explanation:
The security classification of ......
They are perhaps seen as being more trustworthy because of their greater involvement in world affairs.

Bashiqa
France
Local time: 06:21
Native speaker of:

English

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