Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

rague à sars

English translation:

bream hole

Added to glossary by Angie Taylor
Jan 30, 2013 11:58
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French term

rague à sars

French to English Other Environment & Ecology artficial reefs
Document about submersion of artificial reefs. This is a photo caption.

Assemblage d’un récif Chicane. Composé d’éléments cloisonnés, ce récif reconstitue les « ragues à sars ».

I have found the following definition but can't find how to say it in English.
"On les trouvent aussi (les sars) dans les fameuses ragues à sars qui sont des blocs de roche assez plats, creux au dessous et parcourus d'espaces libres et de galeries"

Many thanks
Proposed translations (English)
3 +1 hole for bream

Discussion

Nikki Scott-Despaigne Jan 31, 2013:
A "rague" in fact describes a type of cavity, generally referred to as a "hole" yes, not very technically sounding I know, but there you are. A hole for bream or a "bream hole".
Guy Bray Jan 30, 2013:
Rague is an oceanographic term:

Haut-fond sur lequel le bateau ne passe qu'en frottant.
Berna, Henri, 1977

And sars are sargo bream, so it's evidently a reef offering a habitat for bream.
nweatherdon Jan 30, 2013:
I easily found a picture of sea breams at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_sea_bream, but I'm having a hard time finding any picture of "rague à sars" that looks anything like the ones in English wikipedia.

However, someone has followed the suggested translation in books.google.ca/books?isbn=9048186307 ...
chris collister Jan 30, 2013:
Yes, you're quite right, they are! I know nothing about fish, but I imagine they like to swim in an out of crevices in rocks.
Angie Taylor (asker) Jan 30, 2013:
Chris I got the impression that the sars were bream.
This link http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=eLI2jBSjL78C&pg=PA82&lpg=... refers to bream "This reef is specially designed for sea bream "rague a sars).
chris collister Jan 30, 2013:
running ragged? Given that "raguer" (see Robert) is defined as "l'effet de frottement", it is etymologically possible that our "ragged" comes from here... Maybe "perforated ragged/jagged rock", though there may be a better term. I wonder if "La Rague à Sars" isn't also a specific place? As far as I can tell, "sars" seems to be a term highly specific to the undersea environment.

Proposed translations

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hole for bream

There are many different types of « sar » so “bream” or “seabream” alone is sufficient.

The “ragues” are in fact describing cavities or holes where bream hide to reproduce or to feed. There appears to be no special word in English, just “hole”.

In the first source document, the term “rague” is used in inverted commas. Note that "ragues” occur naturally. As a scuba diver "cavity" and "hole" would be used. The type of hole described is guaranteed to attract bream, thus "à sars".

http://www.mnhn.fr/sfi/cybium/numeros/pdf/181pdf/07-Ody[181]57-70.pdf

p60
« … Cet apport d’habitats cavitaires de tailles diverses communiquant entre eux constitue une réplique d’un système de « ragues » d’une zone rocheuse naturelle, habitat particulièrement fréquenté par des poissons nectobenthiques littoraux, en particulier les sars (Diplodus spp).

P68
« … La mise a disposition de types d’abris qui n’existaient pas en phase 1 (espaces sous dalle correspondant aux « ragues » des roches naturelles et petites cavités)… »

http://portaildoc.oieau.fr/entrepotsOAI/AERMC/R100/37.pdf

« Le paysage est plus attrayant : les plaques rocheuses sont entrecoupées de chenaux formant ainsi des petits tombants atteignant parfois plusieurs mètres. Sous ces plaques la houle a creusé des cavités formant des ragues où se cachent de nombreux poissons et parfois même homards ou langoustes. »

« De même, les nombreuses ragues situées sous les roches plates sont dues à l'érosion par les courants de la couche argileuse sous-jacente. Lorsque ces cavités deviennent trop profondes, la roche casse sous son poids, parfois au cours de tempêtes violentes et forme ainsi les failles verticales bien connues des plongeurs de la région pour leur richesse biologique. »

« Description de la plongée : Géomorphologie : Sur ce site, le plateau rocheux s’élève à 2m au-dessus d’un fond de sables vaseux situé à 12 m. Le plateau s’interrompt sur une faille parallèle à la côte. Au niveau de la faille, des cavités de toutes tailles et des ragues forment des caches pour les poissons. La faille se poursuit plus au large par des éboulis. »

« Les observations sont étonnantes : groupes de sars s’abritant au sein des structures à l’image de leur comportement à l’entrée de ragues naturelles, banc d’une centaine de loups, nuages de tacauds peu farouches, dorades ! »

http://books.google.fr/books?id=2fweBJxTnsYC&pg=PA30&lpg=PA3...

section 7.1 : « fish back into the holes for bream »


http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10641-012-0010-9?n...

Lots of references throughout the article to the reef microhabitat containing holes, crevices, overhangs.


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In my first source document, you can see a diagram which corresponds to your "éléments cloisonnés" to make the cavities which will attract bream for feeding and reproduction.

"Bream holes" is probably a better transation for "ragues à sars" than "holes for bream".

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"Bream holes" although not all these references are for seabream, they are known for seeking out hidey-holes whether in lakes or on the coast.

http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=k3QeyDQH7JA

http://www.ausbream.com/Forum/pop_printer_friendly.asp?ARCHI...

http://visitiberville.com/fishing/index.cfm

http://www.fishraider.com.au/Invision/index.php?showtopic=32...

http://www.gofishing.co.uk/HomePage2/fishingforums/Forum-Lan...

http://www.sydneyangler.com.au/forum/archive/index.php/t-185...


Yep, I'd go with "bream holes", no doubt about it!
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agree nweatherdon : agree with bream holes
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Reference comments

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Reference:

sars = bream, see here

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:kvFX9BHOtP8J:www....[181]57-70.pdf+&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESiPuwToQsrSq1YoebByliD8mI373WJ7Z-M95zoDV6z74-PjHVLTG7tiLBbnZTmwFeA3mwT8y6CJ7n8UzQBhswzUtPVt5NmBMDz8flKSINXN17XLOnr3ngILt76hUgpbfRF80I99&sig=AHIEtbRAoUUQwgZ73w6tfnujerV2Y_R6Rw

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page 1 here too

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:qODBapENpq8J:www....

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picturepastime.com › France › Reef(s)
Panoramio photos of area around Les Ragues d'Arnette, France. ... Pictures of the Les Ragues d'Arnette, France Area. Home » France » Reef(s) » Les Ragues ...

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so

ragues seems = reefs

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:a2khvRY7LK0J:user...

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http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-sea-bream.htm
There are a number of sea bream that are also commonly found in the western Atlantic, off the coasts of the United States and in the Caribbean. These include the western Atlantic ***sea bream **(the archosargus rhomboidalis), and the fish commonly known as the sheepshead. Both are ***prefer subtropical waters and are usually found in areas that offer plenty of cover, such as reefs**** and under bridge pilings.
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