podkościelny dziad

English translation: churchyard beggar

00:23 Dec 18, 2013

Polish to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Religion

Polish term or phrase: podkościelny dziad

Z Biblii Cygańskiej Juliana Tuwima

benstoik
Germany

English translation:churchyard beggar

Explanation:

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Officials of the La Divina Pastora RC Church in Siparia were yesterday forced to shut the main front gates of the church after fights broke out among beggars who had crowded the church yard seeking alms. - See more at: http://www.guardian.co.tt/archives/news/general/2009/04/11/g...

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Beggars huddled in the churchyard of the Savior of the World-one Sunday afternoon - http://etd.aau.edu.et/dspace/bitstream/123456789/923/1/Woubi... (this is slow d/l file, so here is link to a webcache - http://goo.gl/byWJ8t)

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abusive churchyard beggar- http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/asbo-raym...

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First things first get rid of the drunks and beggars that haunt the churchyard, - http://goo.gl/Nm7sB4 (comments below the article)

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geopiet

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churchyard beggar

geopiet

old church beggar

Polangmar

3 +1

Churchdoor beggar

mike23

..an old-timer, sitting on church steps, begging. He....

Frank Szmulowicz, Ph. D.

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Darius Saczuk

Discussion entries: 7

mike23

Poland

05:48 Dec 19, 2013

By the way, Lilian is right. Poetry is to be quoted or if translated it must be done so in longer passages. Try putting the whole thing or at least one stanza into English... or rather, I would rather give it up and use the already exisiting rendering
Good Morrow People!

mike23

Poland

05:40 Dec 19, 2013

Looks like I have the translation, or a translation provided by Antony Polonsky of Department of Near Eastern and Judaic Studies Brandeis University, Waltham, MA 02254-9110, e-mail: [email protected]
http://www.aapjstudies.org/index.php?id=115

George BuLah (X)

Poland

05:32 Dec 19, 2013

To, pod new church nie żebrzą ??

Frank Szmulowicz, Ph. D.

United States

01:45 Dec 19, 2013

In that case, mike23 has the poem translated already with "churchdoor beggar:"
It bears the aroma of crushed myrtle,
The rustling of woods, the starred cabala,
Graveyard’s shadow, deck of cards,
Churchdoor beggar, white chimera.

geopiet

Biblia cygańska

01:40 Dec 19, 2013

Julian Tuwim - http://poema.pl/publikacja/85887-biblia-cyganska

Jaka, sądzisz, jest biblia cygańska?
Niepisana, wędrowna, wróżebna.
Naszeptała ją babom noc srebrna,
Naświetlila łuna świetojańska.

I aromat w niej, jak mirt rozdarty,
Leśny szum i gwiazdarska kabała,
Cień mogilny, pięćdziesiąt dwie karty,
Podkościelny dziad i mara biała.

Kto tę księgę odkrył? My uczeni,
Szperający w starzyźnie pamięci,
Węchem gnani i przeczuciem tknięci,
Pod spód zmysłów i myśli wpatrzeni.

Dolinami zapadłej wiedzy
Klechda kręta nurtuje jak rzeka:
I nie w życiu i nie śmierci, lecz między,
A na śmierć i na życie urzeka.

Na tę księgę woskowymi łzami
Kapią nocą żałobne gromnice,
W tej to księdze ułudnymi domysłami
Przewracają się sny jak stronice.

Migające wibrują wersety,
Nie uchwycisz, co się w nich ukrywa...
Coś jak gdyby: męczeństwo poety...
...że coś zbawić ma...

I księga się rozpływa.

Darius Saczuk

United States

Yes

23:22 Dec 18, 2013

I agree with the above comment. More context is necessary to make any judicial judgement.

LilianNekipelov

United States

Where is the text of the poem?

15:26 Dec 18, 2013

You cannot translate words taken out of a poem. Each word has to fit the structure -- the rhythm and the rhyme, if any, of the peom.

Answers

6 mins confidence:

old church beggar

Explanation:

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CHURCH BEGGARS. The most insidious ot all mendicants is the man or woman who begs for coin on the...
Priest in church beggars warning
A Catholic priest has urged his parishioners not to give money to foreign nationals holding unauthorised collections outside church doors...
I've never really been pestered to donate to a homeless person, but those church beggars will come right up to your window, knock on it, rarely...
http://tinyurl.com/lc6bhmr

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Można rozważyć "old church pauper" (ale wystąpienia są mocno archaiczne).

...show the expenses of the funerals of church paupers two hundred years ago...
http://tinyurl.com/kwvh2vf

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W zasadzie może być bez "old": church beggar, church pauper.

Polangmar
Poland
Local time: 21:31
Native speaker of:

Polish
PRO pts in category: 56

1 hr confidence:

peer agreement (net): +3

churchyard beggar

geopiet
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PRO pts in category: 48

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11 hrs confidence:

..an old-timer, sitting on church steps, begging. He....

Explanation:
It was autumn. The days were getting shorter, with the sun sparing its rays and the cold winds whipping the faces of the passersby. Only an old-timer, sitting on church steps, begging, appeared impervious to it all. HE was perhaps over 70, but no one knew his name, his identity hidden by his deeply-furrowed face and the shock of white hair covering his eyes. In his youth, he might have been a handsome man, lived, loved, and been loved, but now...
By Frank MacroJanus.

I just wanted to put the answer in context.

Frank Szmulowicz, Ph. D.
United States
Local time: 15:31
Native speaker of:

English,

Polish
PRO pts in category: 107

47 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

Churchdoor beggar

Explanation:
What is the gypsy bible like?
Unwritten, wandering, prophetic.
Whispered to hags by the silver night,
Illumined by midsummer moon.

It bears the aroma of crushed myrtle,
The rustling of woods, the starred cabala,
Graveyard’s shadow, deck of cards,
Churchdoor beggar, white chimera.

Who found this book?
We, the learned ones
Who search the junkyard of remembrance,
Driven by scent, and touched by portent,
Gazing beneath the senses and thought.

Along the valleys of fallen knowledge
The twisted myth flows river-like:
Not in life nor death but in between,
Witching for death, enchanting for life

Funeral tapers trickle waxen
Tears at night upon this volume.
In this book the dreams turn over
Like pages, moved by delusive guesses.

The flashing verses whirl about,
You won’t grasp what they conceal, as
It were: the poet’s martyrdom...
...something he must save...
The book melts away.

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translation provided by Antony Polonsky of Department of Near Eastern and Judaic Studies Brandeis University, Waltham, MA 02254-9110, e-mail: [email protected]
http://www.aapjstudies.org/index.php?id=115

Reference: http://www.aapjstudies.org/manager/external/ckfinder/userfil...

mike23
Poland
Local time: 21:31
Native speaker of:

Polish
PRO pts in category: 20

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13 hrs peer agreement (net): +2

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Reference information:
Columbus - Page 301 - Google Books Resultbooks.google.com/books?isbn=0755115325
To find it I have been for years the scoff of sages, constrained by ignorant mockery to sue cap in hand, like a beggar in a church porch, for the alms that would ...

The nabob:
It was Louis's voice, tearful like that of a beggar in a church-porch, trying to move the duke to pity for his distress, and asking permission to take certain bundles

The earl of Brecon, a tragedy, Faith's fraud, a tragedy, Robert Eyres Landor
I am a church-porch beggar, save his dish ! Two thousand crowns in debt ! COUNT. The bride shall free thee.

Papers Past — Press — 27 May 1911 — OUR LITERARY CORNERpaperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=CHP19110527...‎
The church-porch beggar has an especially lucrative Lillet. He has his appointed hours at the various churches, and woe betide any newcomer who...

Darius Saczuk
United States
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Polish,

English
PRO pts in category: 75

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