à tous les effets

English translation: in all but name

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French term or phrase:à tous les effets
English translation:in all but name
Entered by: Michele Fauble

21:03 Nov 30, 2008
French to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - History / Life Of Charlemagne
French term or phrase: à tous les effets
Description of Charlemagne's education.

"As far as his education was concerned, he probably had Greek teachers like Romans from good families did, and like the Roman emperor d"Occident **à tous les effets**, Theodoric the Goth did."

Merci beaucoup!

femme
Barbara Cochran, MFA
United States
Local time: 10:22
in all but name
Explanation:
"...emperor of the West in all but name, Theodoric the Goth did."
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Michele Fauble
United States
Local time: 07:22
Grading comment
Merci, Michele.
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Summary of answers provided
4 +1to all effects/for all purposes
margaret caulfield
4 +1to all intents and purposes
Colin Morley (X)
3 +1in all but name
Michele Fauble
4in all respects
mimi 254
4 -1for all effects
Katarina Peters
3 -1Charlemagne's education was like Emperor D'Occident's in every way
MatthewLaSon


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6 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
to all effects/for all purposes


Explanation:
My main doubt here is "Roman Emperor d'Occident". Is this a French to English text or vice versa?

margaret caulfield
Local time: 16:22
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in SpanishSpanish
Notes to answerer
Asker: It was originally in French, and more French-language passages have been added to my original English-language translation. Thanks for your help.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Jessica Agullo (X): yes but I think it is "for all intents etc..." in colloquial translation
3 hrs
  -> Thanks, Jessica. You may be right!
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23 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
in all but name


Explanation:
"...emperor of the West in all but name, Theodoric the Goth did."

Michele Fauble
United States
Local time: 07:22
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
Merci, Michele.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Karen Vincent-Jones (X): This sounds reasonable, as he was technically viceroy of Constantinople, but in effect he ruled the Western part of the empire too.
15 hrs
  -> yes, in effect emperor of the West - thanks
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51 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -1
for all effects


Explanation:
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Katarina Peters
Canada
Local time: 10:22
Native speaker of: Native in HungarianHungarian, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 8

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Karen Vincent-Jones (X): These references seem to be talking about scientific effects
14 hrs
  -> you are right, I should have said "for all intents and purposes"
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
to all intents and purposes


Explanation:
This to me would seem about the right terminology

Colin Morley (X)
France
Local time: 16:22
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Helen Shiner: Whichever way I read it, the sentence we have been given does not make proper sense, but this is at least a common EN expression which would help towards clarity.
22 hrs
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -1
Charlemagne's education was like Emperor D'Occident's in every way


Explanation:
Hello,

I think that they mean that Charlemagne's education was just like Roman Emperor D'Occident.

à tous les effets = in every way (in every respect)

MatthewLaSon
Local time: 10:22
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Karen Vincent-Jones (X): I think you have misunderstood the sentence. Not surprisingly, as we do not have the complete sentence in the original. But I am pretty sure that the 'a tous les effets' refers to Theodoric the all-but-in-name emperor, not to Charlemagnes's education.
18 hrs
  -> Thanks! .I don't think, though, that my understanding of what "à tous les effets" means in general is wrong. It's just that it may not be referring to his "education". More context would solve the problem.
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12 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
in all respects


Explanation:
à tous égards, dans tous les sens

mimi 254
Local time: 15:22
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in FrenchFrench
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