"qu'il pourra face"

English translation: see this site with the translation

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French term or phrase:"qu'il pourra face"/let if/love do its worst
English translation:see this site with the translation
Entered by: liz askew

18:32 May 13, 2008
French to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Poetry & Literature / tranlsation of louise labe sonnet 3
French term or phrase: "qu'il pourra face"
Not sure on the meaning of this - the full stanza is:

"Qu'encor Amour su moy son arc essaie,
Que nouveaus feus me gette et nouveaus dars:
Qu'il se despite, et pis qu'il pourrace face:

Car je suis tant navree en toutes pars....

This is what I have so far:

"Will Love ever shoot me with its bow,
Do new flames and spears await me unknown?
Will it get angry, and then ??????

For I am so distressed in every bone....

All help much appreciated - this is for a final project in a doctoral class on Ital. trans.....(FYI)
Liza Tripp
Local time: 10:00
see this site with the translation
Explanation:
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=4DOm1axf7TwC&pg=PA145&lpg...

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Note added at 25 mins (2008-05-13 18:58:06 GMT)
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O longs desirs, ô esperances vaines,
Tristes soupirs et larmes coutumieres
A engendrer de moy maintes rivieres,
Dont mes deus yeus sont sources et fontaines:

O cruautez, ô durtez inhumaines,
Piteus regars des celestes lumieres:
Du coeur transi ô passions premieres,
Estimez vous croitre encore mes peines?

Qu'encor Amour su moy son arc essaie
Que nouveaus feus me gette et nouveaus dars:
Qu'il se despite, et pis qu'il pourra face:

Car je suis tant navree en toutes pars,
Que plus en moy une nouvelle plaie,
Pour m'empirer ne pourroit trouver place.

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Note added at 25 mins (2008-05-13 18:58:25 GMT)
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I am still looking. The refs may be irrelevant, but it helps me!

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Note added at 28 mins (2008-05-13 19:00:32 GMT)
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Hi,

I have found the modern French equivalent to your verse ending in "pis qu'il pourra face"
Qu'Amour essaie encore son arc sur moi,
qu'il me jette de nouveaux feux et de nouvelles flèches,
qu'il se fâche, et qu'il fasse le pire qu'il pourra :

Let him get angry and let him do his worst


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Note added at 28 mins (2008-05-13 19:01:01 GMT)
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..

sorry

let love get angry and let love do its worst




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Note added at 29 mins (2008-05-13 19:01:31 GMT)
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Here is the site where you have four verses in modern day French!

http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:wWFj0KnhIxUJ:www2.ac-ly...

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Note added at 32 mins (2008-05-13 19:05:19 GMT)
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SONNET 3 by Louise Labé

Long-felt desires, hopes as long as vain—
sad sighs—slow tears accustomed to run sad
into as many rivers as two eyes can add,
pouring like fountains, endless as the rain—
cruelty beyond humanity, a pain
so hard it makes compassionate stars go mad
with pity: these are the first passions I’ve had.
Do you think love could root in my soul again?
If it arched the great bow back again at me,
licked me again with fire, and stabbed me deep
with the violent worst, as awful as before,
the wounds that cut me everywhere would keep
me shielded, so there would be no place free
for love. It covers me. It will pierce no more.


[First published in the Norton Anthology of World Poetry, 2000]

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Copyright ©2000 by Annie Finch
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liz askew
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Local time: 15:00
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Summary of answers provided
4see this site with the translation
liz askew
4tous le vers: qu'il fasse le pire dont il est capable
Ewa Chojnowska
3 -1who can face it
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20 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
see this site with the translation


Explanation:
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=4DOm1axf7TwC&pg=PA145&lpg...

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Note added at 25 mins (2008-05-13 18:58:06 GMT)
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O longs desirs, ô esperances vaines,
Tristes soupirs et larmes coutumieres
A engendrer de moy maintes rivieres,
Dont mes deus yeus sont sources et fontaines:

O cruautez, ô durtez inhumaines,
Piteus regars des celestes lumieres:
Du coeur transi ô passions premieres,
Estimez vous croitre encore mes peines?

Qu'encor Amour su moy son arc essaie
Que nouveaus feus me gette et nouveaus dars:
Qu'il se despite, et pis qu'il pourra face:

Car je suis tant navree en toutes pars,
Que plus en moy une nouvelle plaie,
Pour m'empirer ne pourroit trouver place.

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Note added at 25 mins (2008-05-13 18:58:25 GMT)
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I am still looking. The refs may be irrelevant, but it helps me!

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Note added at 28 mins (2008-05-13 19:00:32 GMT)
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Hi,

I have found the modern French equivalent to your verse ending in "pis qu'il pourra face"
Qu'Amour essaie encore son arc sur moi,
qu'il me jette de nouveaux feux et de nouvelles flèches,
qu'il se fâche, et qu'il fasse le pire qu'il pourra :

Let him get angry and let him do his worst


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Note added at 28 mins (2008-05-13 19:01:01 GMT)
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..

sorry

let love get angry and let love do its worst




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Note added at 29 mins (2008-05-13 19:01:31 GMT)
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Here is the site where you have four verses in modern day French!

http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:wWFj0KnhIxUJ:www2.ac-ly...

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Note added at 32 mins (2008-05-13 19:05:19 GMT)
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SONNET 3 by Louise Labé

Long-felt desires, hopes as long as vain—
sad sighs—slow tears accustomed to run sad
into as many rivers as two eyes can add,
pouring like fountains, endless as the rain—
cruelty beyond humanity, a pain
so hard it makes compassionate stars go mad
with pity: these are the first passions I’ve had.
Do you think love could root in my soul again?
If it arched the great bow back again at me,
licked me again with fire, and stabbed me deep
with the violent worst, as awful as before,
the wounds that cut me everywhere would keep
me shielded, so there would be no place free
for love. It covers me. It will pierce no more.


[First published in the Norton Anthology of World Poetry, 2000]

CLICK LINK BELOW FOR MORE POEMS:
More Poems by Labé

Copyright ©2000 by Annie Finch

liz askew
United Kingdom
Local time: 15:00
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 16
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37 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
tous le vers: qu'il fasse le pire dont il est capable


Explanation:
As far as I remember from old french classes, 'face' is just exactly equivalent to 'fasse', so that would me more or less the desired translation. But of course it's up to you to arrange it somehow better to fit the poem frames:)

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well, you know that a damn good part of French language actually IS latin. Can't help it:)

Ewa Chojnowska
Local time: 16:00
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in PolishPolish
Notes to answerer
Asker: right - i was confused because there were two conjucated verbs together - that's why i thought "face" might not be "fasse" . I guess maybe it is a more latinate structure?

Asker: this is true(:

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5 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): -1
who can face it


Explanation:
face sometimes is similar to face in english, as in to confront something

Speakering (X)
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Native speaker of: Native in MacedonianMacedonian, Native in Serbo-CroatSerbo-Croat
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Susan Nicholls: as in "faire face", but not in this context
8 hrs
  -> no, more like as in en face de
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