Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
les dits manquants
English translation:
the said shortfalls
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Amy Christie
Dec 11, 2005 23:23
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French term
United Kingdom
les dits manquants
French to English
Tech/Engineering
Transport / Transportation / Shipping
Merchant ship
Cargo (grains) damaged in the hold of a cargo ship and also an amount has gone missing.
L’expert signale dans ses dires qu’il a été observé des pertes de produit Durant le déchargement suite à des fuitres des bennes preneuses et en raison des débordments des camions du réceptionnaire et signale aussi que les dits manquants sont présentés de manière brute et rejette toute reclamation et/ou le réceptionnaire.
Is this another way of saying 'les dires' or does it refer to the stated missing amount of product?
Thank you
L’expert signale dans ses dires qu’il a été observé des pertes de produit Durant le déchargement suite à des fuitres des bennes preneuses et en raison des débordments des camions du réceptionnaire et signale aussi que les dits manquants sont présentés de manière brute et rejette toute reclamation et/ou le réceptionnaire.
Is this another way of saying 'les dires' or does it refer to the stated missing amount of product?
Thank you
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Proposed translations
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statements ; said
"dires" is the expert's statements, and "dits" refers to "said shortfalls", whether said "said shortfalls" are those observed by said expert or by someone else unnamed at this point...
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Juan Jacob
Mexico
Mexico
Native in French
Mexico
Literatura, historia, subtitulaje
Native in: Spanish (Variants: Mexican, Latin American) 
, French (Variants: Belgian, Standard-France)
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Second one
Les dites = stated...
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Luck.
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Marian Greenfield
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Over 30 years in financial translation
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the shorts; the shortfalls; the shortages
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Nikki Scott-Despaigne
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aforementioned shortages
Your ship/marine surveyor observed for himself at least part of the unloading and noted that some of the grain did not make it from the hold into the grab bucket de to voerfilling etc...
Once the potential ambiguity with the « certifcat de bris » has been cleared up, confirming condition of seals upon arrival, intact or broken, then need to establish whether short-landings due to exclusively unloading procedure .
If the “certificat de bris” certifies seals intact and that they were broken in the presence of the parties, then shortages due to unloading procedure.
If the “certifcat the bris” in fact certifies that seals already broken prior to arrival, that the parties present observed that fact, then not all of the alleged shortages can be put down to poor discharge.
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Note added at 10 hrs 51 mins (2005-12-12 10:15:47 GMT)
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In the context of a dispute I have seen "dits" used to mean "alleged" but perhaps a little more aggressive.
Once the potential ambiguity with the « certifcat de bris » has been cleared up, confirming condition of seals upon arrival, intact or broken, then need to establish whether short-landings due to exclusively unloading procedure .
If the “certificat de bris” certifies seals intact and that they were broken in the presence of the parties, then shortages due to unloading procedure.
If the “certifcat the bris” in fact certifies that seals already broken prior to arrival, that the parties present observed that fact, then not all of the alleged shortages can be put down to poor discharge.
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Note added at 10 hrs 51 mins (2005-12-12 10:15:47 GMT)
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In the context of a dispute I have seen "dits" used to mean "alleged" but perhaps a little more aggressive.
Peer comment(s):
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Oliver Walter
: "dires qu’il a été observé des pertes" must be what the "dits manquants" refers to.
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No doubt that referring here to what he actually saw for himself.
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(above) mentioned missing quantities
Les quantités qui ont été perdues lors des manoeuvres.
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