Glossary entry

русский term or phrase:

предзаданность

английский translation:

taking for granted

Added to glossary by Jack Doughty
Mar 26, 2006 10:09
18 yrs ago
русский term

предзаданность

русский => английский Искусство/Литература Языкознание Document on history of language
В таком подходе кроется опасность предзаданности бытующих ныне в историографии теорий ...

Discussion

Mikhail Kropotov Mar 27, 2006:
What I'm trying to say is not that it's a bad translation, but that Jack's interpretation seems to distort the meaning. However, the expression is indeed suited to your context!
FYI: This is all IMHO and I'd be glad to be proven wrong, if indeed I am.
Mikhail Kropotov Mar 27, 2006:
Hi Simon. I am afraid there may be more to it - please take a look at my comment on Jack's answer.

Proposed translations

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11 мин
Selected

taking for granted

...the danger of current theories in historiography being taken for granted.
Peer comment(s):

agree Kevin Kelly
1 час
Thank you.
neutral Mikhail Kropotov : Hi Jack. I don't think your version is true to the original. It's not about taking current theories for granted, but rather about the way the current theories are shaped - what is TAKEN FOR GRANTED when they are formulated.
15 час
That's what I would uunderstand it to mean in this context.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thank you all for your help. I do think that Jack's version is the best suited to the context, though."
17 мин
русский term (edited): предзаданный

pre-established

something that is considered true and rarely doubted.
Peer comment(s):

neutral Maksym Nevzorov : Имеете в виду axiomatic? не уверен, что здесь это значение
1 час
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45 мин

below

I doubt between "pre-authorisation" (which exists in the language)
and "pre-designedness" (which does't)
However, "предзаданность" according to www.gramota.ru doen't exist either...

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Note added at 48 mins (2006-03-26 10:57:12 GMT)
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I mean the situation when a researcher is building up a theory with formerly prescribed conclusions...
Peer comment(s):

neutral Vanda Nissen : Давно уже заметила, что грамота.ру не так уж профессиональна, обратите хотя бы внимание на количество ошибок на их собственном сайте. "Предз
41 мин
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+3
1 час

predetermined

Unfortunately, I can not find a noun, the closest adjective is predetermined. Still, this word for sure exists in Russian:)
Peer comment(s):

agree Maksym Nevzorov : why not "predetermination"?
29 мин
Хороший вопрос, ответ на него, не знаю. По-моему, меня смутил комментарий, что предзаданности нет, вот я решила, что и в английском можно лишь
agree Larissa Dinsley : predeterminaiton or even predestinaiton
4 час
thank you
agree Hasmik Serjanyan : Agree with Larissa. I would go with smth. like "...danger of attributing a feature/character of predestination to the extisting theories..."
6 час
thank you
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2 час

expectedness, predictability, sameness, lack of variation

That's the way I see the sentence you provided, maybe more context could change my understanding of this word

Either that, or "predetermination".

That's my humble opinion
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+1
6 час

determinism

предзаданность = инвариантность, предопределенность, детерминизм
I found the following extract: Говоря о предопределенности борьбы Великороссии и Запада, часто ссылаются на климатические различиях: мол, у нас – холодные и снежные зимы, у них – теплые и малоснежные, что диктует различие в ведении хозяйства. Из этого делают вывод о какой-то предзаданности взаимоотношений этих двух суперэтносов ( теория географического детерминизма).
http://www.yandex.ru/yandpage?&q=1534818455&p=1&ag=d&qs=text...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Determinism
Peer comment(s):

agree Maksym Nevzorov : хороший вариант, правда не уверен, впишется ли он в контекст Саймона
54 мин
Thank you. "... the danger of determinism of current theories..." where is the problem?
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