casa de vecinos

English translation: (traditional) patio housing

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Spanish term or phrase:casa de vecinos
English translation:(traditional) patio housing
Entered by: franglish

09:42 May 12, 2009
Spanish to English translations [PRO]
Tourism & Travel / in Cordova, Spain
Spanish term or phrase: casa de vecinos
I am having trouble finding a good way of translating this, referring specifically to the casas de vecinos in Cordova, Spain, with patios. Tenement house has negative connotations. I don't want to use apartment or block of flats, because that conjures up a different image in my mind. Multi-unit dwelling is too technical.

The point I need to emphasise is that this is a house where people are "vecinos" and cooperate with each other, especially as far as the patios are concerned (to prepare them for the fiesta de patios which takes place this month, May).

Many thanks for any ideas.
Nikki Graham
United Kingdom
Local time: 11:51
(traditional) patio housing
Explanation:
The Cordobesian patios are a reminiscence of the climate conditions of this city; they are an essential part of the housing. Whitewash walls, fountains, columns, and flowers, they are simply comforting in such warm climate.
The houses that surround the patios acquire a communal life, sharing their chickens, galleries and backyard, laundry facilities, and of course, the patio, which through their careful upkeep led to the development of the traditional patio festivities.
The Festivity of the Cordobesian Patios

Typical Patio of Córdoba: At any time, behind any door, you can find the typical ... the climate conditions of this city; they are an essential part of the housing. ... upkeep led to the development of the traditional patio festivities. ...
www.entertainmentinspain.com/Cordoba Patios.htm - 35k -
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franglish
Switzerland
Local time: 12:51
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My text also has "casa de patios" and sometimes when it refers to "casa de vecinos" it does not always mean community/communal housing. In these cases I have decided to put just "patio house" (the decision was made earlier on in the project to keep patio rather than use courtyard). When "case de vecinos" is used to refer to a shared house (either in the past or today), I've decided to put "communal patio house". I don't need to add any explanations in the text, as there are a lot of those already. Thanks everyone for your ideas.
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Summary of answers provided
3 +3(traditional) patio housing
franglish
5Neighbors' House
Constantinos Faridis (X)
4 +1casa de vecinos
Laurie Price
4apartment community; townhouse community
Marian Greenfield
4community housing
axies
3community dwellings
erowe
2 +1typical Andalusian town house
Sheila Hardie
3casa de vecinos (homes clustered around a social patio)
Bubo Coroman (X)
3patio(ed) apartments house
Alejandro Alcaraz Sintes
Summary of reference entries provided
maybe these will help
tazdog (X)

Discussion entries: 5





  

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Neighbors' House


Explanation:
Neighbors' House is a not-for-profit, faith based, community development organization partnering with DeKalb County, Illinois students and families to help ...
neighborshouse.blogspot.com

Constantinos Faridis (X)
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community dwellings


Explanation:
a possibility, although this is often used for special groups e.g. the elderly, in the UK

erowe
Spain
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8 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
casa de vecinos


Explanation:
Nikki I think you can leave it, but with a note

Granada, Albaicin Apartments for independent traveller El Numero 8
You´ve discovered La casa del Numero 8, or more popularly known as, la casa de Rafa. ... one of the traditional "casa de vecinos" in this ancient and magical neighbourhood. Make the effort and come see for yourself. Español | English | ...
www.elnumero8.com/ - 9k - Cached - Similar pages -

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Note added at 10 mins (2009-05-12 09:52:32 GMT)
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Apartment EL ARCO, Jerez Historical Center:Apartments:Jerez De La ...
Posted on 20/04/09 in Holiday Rentals: Apartments in Andalusia (Jerez De La ... Typical, "Casa de Vecinos", i.e. apartment house in authentic Andalusian style, .... English and: Add a language... Arabic, Azerbaijani, Bengali, Bulgarian ...
housing.justlanded.com/en/Spain_Andalusia/Holiday-Rentals_Apartments/Apartment-EL-ARCO-Jerez-Historical-Center - 49k - Cached - Similar pages -

gobernar la casa del vecino - WordReference Forums
3 posts - 2 authors - Last post: 15 Jan 2007
I was asking whether any of you guys know an English idiom equivalent to the Spanish one "es como gobernar la casa del vecino". ...
forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=353326 - 38k - Cached - Similar pages -

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Note added at 12 mins (2009-05-12 09:54:48 GMT)
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One of these in Jerez seems to be fairly well known -- the Rosaleda, & in all the hits on that one it's left as 'casa de vecinos' --

hope this helps!

Laurie Price
Mexico
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agree  Noni Gilbert Riley
9 mins
  -> Thank you Noni*
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12 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5 peer agreement (net): +1
typical Andalusian town house


Explanation:
I don't think there is an exact equivalent in English, Nikki. But I may be wrong. Could you say something like 'typical Andalusian town house'? Or even use the Spanish term (in italics or inverted commas) and explain in a footnote or something similar. One translation I have seen is 'neighbourhood house' but that doesn't sound very natural to me.

http://www.casarosaleda.com/en/laCasaRosaleda_en.htm

HTH


Sheila

Sheila Hardie
Spain
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agree  neilmac: Best option to avoid the negative connotations cited :)
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26 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +3
(traditional) patio housing


Explanation:
The Cordobesian patios are a reminiscence of the climate conditions of this city; they are an essential part of the housing. Whitewash walls, fountains, columns, and flowers, they are simply comforting in such warm climate.
The houses that surround the patios acquire a communal life, sharing their chickens, galleries and backyard, laundry facilities, and of course, the patio, which through their careful upkeep led to the development of the traditional patio festivities.
The Festivity of the Cordobesian Patios

Typical Patio of Córdoba: At any time, behind any door, you can find the typical ... the climate conditions of this city; they are an essential part of the housing. ... upkeep led to the development of the traditional patio festivities. ...
www.entertainmentinspain.com/Cordoba Patios.htm - 35k -

franglish
Switzerland
Local time: 12:51
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman
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My text also has "casa de patios" and sometimes when it refers to "casa de vecinos" it does not always mean community/communal housing. In these cases I have decided to put just "patio house" (the decision was made earlier on in the project to keep patio rather than use courtyard). When "case de vecinos" is used to refer to a shared house (either in the past or today), I've decided to put "communal patio house". I don't need to add any explanations in the text, as there are a lot of those already. Thanks everyone for your ideas.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Paula Sepúlveda (X): Or "courtyard housing"
21 mins
  -> Thanks, darwinista! Actually, patio is not only understood but used in English, thus retaining its Spanish flavor.

agree  Christine Walsh: I like this one. It would even be possible to clarify in very few words incorperated into the context, if necessary
4 hrs
  -> Thank you, Chriswa! Yes, with a short explanation if not found elsewhere in the text.

agree  Juan Carlos García
16 hrs
  -> Gracias, Juan Carlos!
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50 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
apartment community; townhouse community


Explanation:
might be a bit U.S., but gets the idea across and is commonly used...

Marian Greenfield
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casa de vecinos (homes clustered around a social patio)


Explanation:
to give the idea that the patio is the focal point of social life... I assume the patio is a central courtyard

Photos:
http://images.google.es/images?hl=es&q="casas de vecinos" có...

Bubo Coroman (X)
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patio(ed) apartments house


Explanation:
Se me ocurre esto como traducción descriptiva.
Mi sugerencia es mantener el original y usar mi propuesta u otra de las que se han dado entre paréntesis).
O "apartments house with shared central patio".
Ejemplo:
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Costa de la Luz - Resultado de la Búsqueda de libros de Google
de Andy Symington - 2005 - Travel - 256 páginas
This typical Andalucian patioed house has a more comprehensive collection of documents and folios, including the notification by telegram of the Nobel Prize ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=1904777317..
In house with shared central patio. Located in popular Albaicin Bajo area. Ideal as office or to live in.. Spanish properties in Albaicin (Albaycin, ...
www.aloasis.com/Sale/To_buy_a_studio_in_Granada/0213_AVA.ht...

Alejandro Alcaraz Sintes
Spain
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community housing


Explanation:
That houses the community.
"housing'' sounds to me a more neutral expression, meaning that these areas belong to everyone and no one in particular.

axies
Australia
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Reference comments


1 hr
Reference: maybe these will help

Reference information:
Hi Nikki,

I am thinking along the lines of "communal courtyard", but you'd have to fit that in with some kind of description of the housing (tie it in with one of the suggestions above, traditional housing with a communal courtyard?). Anyway, here are some refs. that may give you some ideas.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/ar...

http://books.google.es/books?id=FOlytOi-MOYC&pg=RA2-PA13&lpg...

http://www.brightwaterholidays.com/tour.aspx?TID=F2E7D201-10...

Good luck!

tazdog (X)
Spain
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