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Glossary entry

Spanish term or phrase:

Contraalmirante AN. PA.

English translation:

Rear admiral, Naval Aviation Pilot

Added to glossary by patinba
Nov 6, 2013 13:41
10 yrs ago
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Spanish term

CONTRAALMIRANTE AN. PA.

Spanish to English Law/Patents Military / Defense
The issue is the initials after the designation of a rear admiral of the Mexican Navy, i.e. AN. PA. Does anyone know what these stand for?

Kind regards. Sian.
Proposed translations (English)
4 +2 rear admiral, Naval Aviation Pilot
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Nov 11, 2013 11:29: patinba Created KOG entry

Discussion

Helena Chavarria Nov 6, 2013:
Though when someone mentions a pilot, I'm afraid I immediately think of a sea pilot, not someone who flies aircraft!
Helena Chavarria Nov 6, 2013:
@Charles Quality is far more important than points :) I enjoy answering questions and I was pleased to be able to find out what AN. and PA. mean but I just didn't have enough time to find the correct translation, which is the real purpose of KudoZ.
Charles Davis Nov 6, 2013:
@ Helena That's rather a pity, because although I don't think the translation was quite right it was a great piece of detective work. I sometimes think questions like this should carry double points; first you have to work out what the acronym means (which you did before anyone else) and then how to translate it. I spent a little while this afternoon looking up the Mexican Navy Law, which is how I found out about the cuerpos and all that, but these things do take time.
Helena Chavarria Nov 6, 2013:
@Charles I should learn to refrain from answering when I haven't got time to produce a convincing answer. Thank you for the explanation. Because my answer is only half right, I will remove it.
Charles Davis Nov 6, 2013:
These letters Mexican naval officers have after their names are of different kinds.

One sort corresponds to a branch of the service or "cuerpo". These are Cuerpo General (CG), Infantería de Marina (IM), and Aeronáutica Naval (AN). So that's the first of our two.

Secondly there are the "servicios", which include, for example Administración e Intendencia Naval (AIN) or Sanidad Naval (SN): some eleven in all.

The third kind is a professional specialism within the service. These include Ingeniero Mecánico Naval (IMN), for example. PA (piloto aviador) is another of these.

Finally, there is DEM (Diplomado de Estado Mayor) or DEMN (Diplomado de Estado Mayor Naval), advanced qualifications taken by those destined for high rank.

In the Navy, if you're a PA you must presumably be in the AN, but of course in the Air Force you can be PA without being AN.

Proposed translations

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rear admiral, Naval Aviation Pilot

Aeronáutica Naval Piloto Aviador
(not aeronautics engineer in other words)

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Note added at 1 hr (2013-11-06 14:53:07 GMT)
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Not a member of the Mexican Air force, but Mexican Naval Aviation.

Por acuerdo del Alto Mando de la Armada de México, la mañana de ayer se llevó a cabo la ceremonia de entrega del mando de armas de la Base Aeronaval de Chetumal, en esta ciudad y puerto, donde el Vicealmirante Aeronáutica Naval Piloto Aviador Diplomado de Estado Mayor, Jorge Carlos Morales González
Peer comment(s):
agree eski : Looks correct to me; saludos Pat. eski :)
26 mins
Hi eski, and thanks!
agree Charles Davis : I posted a discussion entry expressing reservations with this but I think it's correct: "Naval Aviation" for AN and "Pilot" for PA.
2 hrs
I see you worked hard on this one!Thank you Charles!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Many thanks for this one on a local abbreviation, always tricky. Best wishes. Sian."

Reference comments

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Reference:

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AN. P.A. > Aeronáutica Naval Piloto Aviador, perhaps (?)

Fuerza Aérea Mexicana - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre
es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuerza_Aérea_Mexicana‎
Su objetivo es defender la integridad, independencia y soberanía de México, garantizar la .... aeronaves y motores en México y preparar a los pilotos aviadores para tripularlas. ..... Contralmirante, General de Grupo, General Brigadier.

Colegio de pilotos aviadores de México - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia ...
es.wikipedia.org/.../Colegio_de_pilotos_aviadores_de...‎
El Colegio de Pilotos Aviadores de México es el primer colegio de pilotos ... El Colegio fue fundado en 1947 por los ** pilotos aviadores (P.A.)** Baldomero H.

condecoran a personal de la armada de méxico por perseverancia y ...
www.qroo.gob.mx/qroo/Gobierno/nota.php?id=4157‎
Nov 20, 2011 - CONDECORAN A PERSONAL DE LA ARMADA DE MÉXICO POR ... *** Fidel Villanueva Rivero; Contralmirante Aeronáutica Naval Piloto Aviador ...**
Peer comments on this reference comment:
agree Helena Chavarria : No, please don't remove it. Your reference and Charles' explanation are sure to help someone in the future.
2 mins
Thanks Helena. //I might add that you deserve the credit for at the very least deciphering the letters and feel that I should be the one to remove my reference, albeit the intention was just that (a reference!).
agree patinba
4 mins
Thank you so much Pat. Un abrazo.
agree eski : BBH (big bear hug) Inspector! :)
35 mins
Thanks eski. Ditto! Long time no see!
agree Charles Davis : Yes, that's what it stands for.
4 hrs
Thanks Charles and thank you for your excellent research and explanation. It may well be worth entering your well researched info into the glossary for future reference. // It may be useful for you to enter your own answer for completeness! Un abrazo.
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