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Vulgärdichtung

English translation: popular poetry

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German term or phrase:Vulgärdichtung
English translation:popular poetry
Entered by: Stephen Old

17:35 Aug 30, 2017
German to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Poetry & Literature / Japanese haiku
German term or phrase: Vulgärdichtung
This passage describes how the haiku arose from the renga. I need an elegant and accurate term for this final wordl Unter der Prämisse, die strengen Normen des renga zu lockern und eine volksnahe Dichtung zu schaffen, konzipierten verschiedene, sich ablösende Schulen eine Form von Vulgärdichtung,
Stephen Old
United Kingdom
Local time: 03:30
popular poetry
Explanation:
In his E. J. Pratt lecture "Silence In the Sea," critic Northrop Frye argued that Service's verse was not "serious poetry," but something else he called "popular poetry": "the idioms of popular and serious poetry remain inexorably distinct." Popular poems, he thought, "preserve a surface of explicit statement" – either being "proverbial, like Kipling's 'If' or Longfellow's 'Song of Life' or Burns's 'For A' That'," or dealing in "conventionally poetic themes, like the pastoral themes of James Whitcomb Riley, or the adventurous themes of Robert Service." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Service
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Kim Metzger
Mexico
Local time: 20:30
Grading comment
Thanks again Kim,for reminding me of what I already knew! This term can describe a more accessible (volksnahe) form of poetry, compared to that which would be enjoyed at a royal court in the middle Ages.
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Summary of answers provided
3 +2popular poetry
Kim Metzger
3 +1common/vulgar verse
Ramey Rieger (X)
3crude poetry
Michael Martin, MA
3plebeian poetry
Martin Ris
3poetry for the common man
Martin Ris
2rough-and-tumble poetry
gangels (X)


Discussion entries: 2





  

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8 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
common/vulgar verse


Explanation:
Could work

Ramey Rieger (X)
Germany
Local time: 04:30
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 77

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Helen Shiner: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=u9xBdbdD944C&pg=PT43&lpg... // No! ;)
36 mins
  -> It was certainly a step down for the purists! Ever written haiku? It's an amazing challenge!
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24 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
popular poetry


Explanation:
In his E. J. Pratt lecture "Silence In the Sea," critic Northrop Frye argued that Service's verse was not "serious poetry," but something else he called "popular poetry": "the idioms of popular and serious poetry remain inexorably distinct." Popular poems, he thought, "preserve a surface of explicit statement" – either being "proverbial, like Kipling's 'If' or Longfellow's 'Song of Life' or Burns's 'For A' That'," or dealing in "conventionally poetic themes, like the pastoral themes of James Whitcomb Riley, or the adventurous themes of Robert Service." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Service

Kim Metzger
Mexico
Local time: 20:30
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 213
Grading comment
Thanks again Kim,for reminding me of what I already knew! This term can describe a more accessible (volksnahe) form of poetry, compared to that which would be enjoyed at a royal court in the middle Ages.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  philgoddard: It means the same as "volksnahe Dichtung" earlier in the sentence, and I would take out the repetition.
3 hrs
agree  Anne Schulz
11 hrs
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7 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 2/5Answerer confidence 2/5
rough-and-tumble poetry


Explanation:
may be

gangels (X)
Local time: 20:30
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in GermanGerman
PRO pts in category: 32
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crude poetry


Explanation:
A kind of crude poetry perhaps?

Michael Martin, MA
United States
Local time: 22:30
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman, Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 43
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19 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
plebeian poetry


Explanation:
I think the idea is a poetry for the people, the commoner, rather than the educated class. Plebeian conveys that.

Crude or vulgar poetry implies that the poetry itself is crude or vulgar, rather than who it's for.

Popular seems to work as well.

Martin Ris
United States
Local time: 22:30
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman, Native in EnglishEnglish
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19 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
poetry for the common man


Explanation:
Again, expressing my sense that this goes after who the poetry is for.

Martin Ris
United States
Local time: 22:30
Native speaker of: Native in GermanGerman, Native in EnglishEnglish
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