Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Arabic term or phrase:
نصراني ونص
English translation:
Christian to the bone
Arabic term
Spain
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, Basque
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نصراني ونص
واضح أنها شطيمة ولكن كيف نترجمها؟
وشكرا!
| 5 +5 | Christian to the bone |
Khalid Idris
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| 5 +3 | absofreakinlutely christian |
Muhammad Said
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| 4 +1 | I do mean Nasrani |
Saleh Dardeer
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Proposed translations
Egypt
Flair for Language, Stickler for Quality
Native in: Arabic (Variant: Standard-Arabian (MSA)) , English
Works in: English to Arabic, Arabic to English, English, and 1 more.
Christian to the bone
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sktrans
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شكرًا جزيلاً
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Chakib Roula
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شكرًا جزيلاً
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Randa Farhat
: Nice one. @Itzea: also as AK says, it's not an insult initially.
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شكرًا جزيلاً
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Linda Al-Bairmani
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شكرًا جزيلاً
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Morano El-Kholy
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شكرًا جزيلاً
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Egypt
Arabic Translation & L10n Professional
Native in: Arabic 
Works in: English to Arabic, Arabic to English
absofreakinlutely christian
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Note added at 5 mins (2015-04-26 23:13:25 GMT)
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The word 'ونص' is used to show confirmation in a colloquial variety of language. That is why I tended to use an English equivalent to maintain the same tone.
| Thank you so much for your suggestion :) I think it's a very good option, although it unfortunately does not fit the context in this case. Thanks a lot! |
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sktrans
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Thank you so much
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Chakib Roula
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Thank you so much
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Linda Al-Bairmani
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Thank you so much
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High quality comes first!
Native in: Arabic
Works in: Arabic to English, English to Arabic, Arabic, and 3 more.
I do mean Nasrani
From the viewpoint of some Muslim scholars such as here (http://islamqa.info/ar/111878) it is preferred to use the word Nasara (plural of nasrani) to refer to Christians for mainly two reasons:
- All Quranic and Sunnah text do not name them Christians (مسيحيين singular مسيحي), rather the word Nasara and its derivatives are used
- مسيحي (literally Christian) is an attribution to the true followers of the Christ who believe that he was a prophet and Messenger who received and conveyed revelation sent him from the One Almighty God who has neither son nor wife or any partners.
So, Muslims see that they are the true followers of Jesus the Christ because it is a must on each Muslim to believe in all previous Holy Books and Prophets.
However, not all Muslims say this word having all these arguments in mind. For example, when I visited some villages in the countryside of Egypt the word is used normally to refer to Christians...even there is a village called عزبة النصارى
For some Christians, they do not like the word Nasrani and prefer the word Maseehi to emphasize on their true belief in the Christ according to their beliefs.
Based on your note that it is said in the context of insulting, I assume that a christian objected being called a Nasrani. Then, the person who said the word reaffirmed it again saying: "I do mean Nasrani"
ونص is used for confirmation either in positive or negative expressions
HTH
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Note added at 1 day7 hrs (2015-04-28 06:48:14 GMT)
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Based on your addendum, it could be a harsh insult if that person was a Muslim that people gave him such an epithet because of his weak stand in the negotiation. He was too mild with the Spaniards to be described as a christian more than Christians (Spaniards).
If he was a Christian, then it could be an insult that he was not an honest delegate in negotiations who betrayed the trust. So, he was a christian to the bone. Regardless of his citizenship and position, he gave preference to his brethren in religion who were about to fight his country. The proverb says what is bred in the bone will come out in the flesh
HTH
| Thanks so much for your lenghthy and useful explanation! |
Discussion
وثانيًا وهذا خطأ شائع النصراني تُنقحر
حيث أن
Christian
تعني مسيحي
ونصراني معناها آخر حيث لا يوجد في القرآن أو كتب الحديث كلمة مسيحي
وشكرًا