Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

ordonnance de consignation

English translation:

order for deposit of a sum with the court

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French term

ordonnance de consignation

French to English Law/Patents Law (general)
This is in a letter between two lawyers on a case. I have not been able to find this term anywhere.

En annexe je vous fais parvenir mon ***ordonnance de consignation*** conformément à l'article 59 du code d'instruction criminelle.

Discussion

Daryo Jan 16, 2015:
My own inclination is not to help if the asker will not help

sure, that makes sense up to a degree - but whatever is the attitude of the Asker, you can see it as a good practice for yourself - basically just do it for the challenge. Anyway, if one takes a really narrow view, one could ask what's the point of helping the competition at all?
AllegroTrans Jan 13, 2015:
Are any court fees payable in criminal cases? I imagine not. Therefore the parties are introducing a civil claim, I assume. So is this about the actual payment of the civil claim fees or just a "deposit" against them?
Unfortunately this asker has neither told us where this is from, leaving others to do the research, nor has he done much to give us the background. My own inclination is not to help if the asker will not help.
Daryo Jan 13, 2015:
@AllegroTrans the reference to "à l'article 59 du code d'instruction criminelle" gives a plethora of clues, like the proverbial money laying on the streets, waiting to be picked up by whoever takes the trouble to look that way.

Nowadays, online databases of national legislation are aplenty (I would expect the whole of Europe, and a sizable chunk of the rest of the world to have its legislation freely available online).

There is only one "article 59 du code d'instruction criminelle" that is about "consignation" (Laws of Luxembourg), and what is more, it fits perfectly in the context of this ST. So it narrows dramatically the options.

@B D Finch in this case "une ordonnance de consignation à partie civile" or even "une ordonnance de consignation" is not something to be negotiated between the parties - (if they could agree, there would be no litigation in the first place). Whether it's about depositing payments the other side won't take (just "consignation" without any court order being given) or paying court fee (or a deposit on court fees) on order of the court, there is nothing to be agreed between the two parties.
AllegroTrans Jan 10, 2015:
What we really need to know is whether this refers to depositing the Court fees (which would be to the Court) or putting up a "security for costs" (which might be through a bond or payment into the Caisse des depots et consignations)
Daryo Jan 9, 2015:
I have not been able to find this term anywhere. ?

"....conformément à l'article 59 du code d'instruction criminelle."

It's not exactly some TOP SECRET document, this "Code d'instruction criminelle" ....

and official databases of current legislation are aplenty.

also

a search on "ordonnance de consignation" (exactly that combination) gives about 14,200 results - there should be at least few of them relevant?
Kieran Mc Kenna Jan 9, 2015:
Is this from French law or is it from another French speaking country?

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order for deposit of a sum with the court

(The sum might be, e.g., an amount alleged to have been stolen, or an amount to cover the value of a stolen item.)

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(I do not understand why the attorney refers to the ordonnance as "mon", unless the second attorney has control over the funds in question.)

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The amount deposited may also be an amount deposited to forestall accrual of statutory interest.
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agree Kieran Mc Kenna
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agree B D Finch : I think "mon" could indicate this is his/her draft and open to discussion over the exact wording.
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order for payment of money into court

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order for payment of court fees

strictly speaking "consignation" would only be a "deposit", but court fees are not really "refundable" - the only way to get them back is to get them from the other party if the plaintiff wins, not from the court.

Here
En annexe je vous fais parvenir mon ordonnance de consignation conformément à l'article 59 du code d'instruction criminelle.

means:
I was ordered to pay court fees so it proves that the court accepted to consider my case.

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in fact, the full term to translate is

"ordonnance de consignation à partie civile"

but as both lawyers know exactly what it is about,

"ordonnance de consignation"

is more than enough for them to understand each other
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Reference comments

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Reference:

hth

http://www.dictionnaire-juridique.com/definition/consignatio...

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I'm assuming that the word ordonnance is clear enough and that consignation is the problem.
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Reference:

Moment de la procédure où une partie doit régler des frais fixes

Nous JEAN, par la grâce de Dieu, Grand-Duc de Luxembourg, Duc de Nassau, etc., etc., etc.;
Notre Conseil d'Etat entendu;
De l'assentiment de la Chambre des Députés;
Vu la décision de la Chambre des Députés du 27 février 1969 et celle du Conseil d'Etat du 7 mars 1969 portant qu'il n'y a pas lieu à second vote;
Avons ordonné et ordonnons:


Selon l’article 59 du code d’instruction criminelle (CIC) “ La partie civile qui met en mouvement l’action publique (c'est-à-dire qui porte plainte) doit, si elle n’a pas obtenu l’aide judiciaire, consigner, entre les mains du receveur de l’enregistrement la somme présumée nécessaire pour les frais de procédure.
Le juge d’instruction constate, par ordonnance, le dépôt de la plainte. En fonction des ressources de la partie civile, il fixe le montant de la consignation et le délai dans lequel celle-ci devra être faite, sous peine de non-recevabilité de la plainte. Il peut également dispenser de consignation la partie civile dépourvue de ressources suffisantes. »
Cette procédure est cependant propre aux plaintes avec partie civile déposées devant le juge d’instruction. Les plaintes et dénonciations aux parquets, respectivement les constitutions incidentes de parties civiles devant le juge du fond (quand on porte plainte durant le procès, lors de l’audience) sont sans frais de justice.

https://e-justice.europa.eu/content_costs_of_proceedings-37-...

http://www.om-mp.be/stat/corr/jstat2013/f/l27_br.html

http://www.oas.org/juridico/PDFs/mesicic4_hti_crimi.pdf

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Quels seront les frais pour la victime qui se constitue partie civile?

Après exament de votre plainte par un juge d'instruction, celui ci va étudier votre situation financière, pour vous adresser:

Un récépissé de votre déclaration de votre constitution en partie civile, avec une ORDONNANCE de CONSIGNATION à partie civile, dont le motant sera de 100€ à 5000€, suivant vos revenus. Attention, dans cette ordonnance le juge vous donne un délai de paiement de cette consignation (qui est souvent d'un mois) et si vous ne payez pas avant ce délai imparti, il risque ensuite de vous adresser une ORDONNANCE d'rrecevabilité de votre constitution en parte civile. Evitez cela car c'est la mise au panier de votre plainte qui restera sans suite.

Touteois, si vos revenus sont si faibles que vous avez droit au bénéfice total ou partiel de l'Aide Juridique, le juge vous adressera alors, au lieu d'une consignation une oRDONNANCE de dispense de consignation à partie civile.

http://www.fondation-europ-handicap.org/contents/de/d13.html

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... une ORDONNANCE de dispense de consignation à partie civile.
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