Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

fausse honte

English translation:

false modesty

Added to glossary by Crystal Samples
Jul 10, 2005 16:32
18 yrs ago
French term

fausse honte

French to English Art/Literary Poetry & Literature play, opera
MARGUERITE.
...Tu comprends bien alors que je ne peux garder ici ni mes pratiques, ni mon état, je te cède tout cela!

MANON.
A moi!

MARGUERITE
Un bel et bon état, une fortune assurée! avec du travail, de l’ordre, de l’économie; pas de fausse honte, mets-toi à l’ouvrage: Aide-toi, la ciel t’aidera!

Proposed translations

19 mins
Selected

false modesty

In this context, don't discount yourself too much
Peer comment(s):

neutral writeaway : false modesty is what first came to mind-but since Manon is a prostitute, I think shame fits the context better
9 mins
Yeah, but it doesn't make any sense, A whore isn't modest
neutral Dr Sue Levy (X) : and I have found "fausse pudeur" and "fausse honte" in the same sentence!//I mean I have read French texts where the two expressions are used together. Since IMHO "fausse pudeur" is false modesty, "fausse honte" must mean something else, no?
13 mins
I confess, I have no idea what you're talking about
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3 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Well, this is what I chose and what makes the most sense to me. Thank you all for your responses and the research and time that you put into them."
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8 mins

false shame

Seems the speaker is just saying the other person should not be deceitful.

I found a link from Google (remember Google isn't totally trustworthy)that may be useful.

http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org/falses51.html

However, a second type of shame is introduced. "False shame" is claimed to be similar to "legitimate shame" in terms of humiliation experienced plus the fear of exposure and abandonment. It has no beginning point, no remedy, and is connected with "how we perceive ourselves at the core of our being" (flawed and defective) rather than with our actual sin. "Shame is the sense of feeling flawed, defective and unacceptable as a person" (37). The author insists that no one has escaped this "false shame," and she proposes a "contagious," cyclical pattern wherein people shame one another and perpetuate "false shame" in others (37-46). She teaches that Satan originates it, because "he knows the areas that are especially painful to each person and he reminds us of them over and over" (10). Like Bradshaw, this author attributes the development of "false shame" to early childhood experiences, including parental abuse and the sense of being different from others (14-15). She believes that "one’s core beliefs about one’s self are usually in place before adolescence" (17). Because such "core beliefs" are based on a variety of sources, even persons from "warm, functional" homes may suffer from the impact of shame (17).

I hope this is useful. Sounds okay.

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Note added at 14 mins (2005-07-10 16:46:53 GMT)
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Hmm...

After reading more of the article I posted maybe it means being honest with oneself and others by not letting your past or your upbringing make you take a wrong path.
Peer comment(s):

agree writeaway : right term, but it's nothing about deceit-Manon works as a prostitute./ opera Manon Lescaut by Puccini, based on novel by Abbé Prévost and there's also the opera Manon by Massenet.. bacteria-free culture :-)
3 mins
Die Kameliendame (Lady of the Camellias); Ballet by John Neumeier; Music by Frédéric Chopin. Tsk...I need more culture in my diet and I'm not talking bacteria.
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+1
20 mins

pretense of shame

The arrogance and child exploitation continue without any pretense of shame. The DHS Administration has learned nothing from this or any of its previous ...
www.thesociologycenter.com/EighthCity/IToldYouSo.html -
Peer comment(s):

agree Pierre Renault : I like this.
22 hrs
merci :-)
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+8
1 hr

don't feign shame

to translate "pas de fausse honte"
Peer comment(s):

agree Anna Maria Augustine (X)
4 mins
thanks !
agree Besmir (X) : very cute!!!
36 mins
thanks everyone !
agree Anne McKee : wraps it up nicely
1 hr
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agree Allan MacKinnon (X) : snappier since it rhymes a bit
2 hrs
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agree Dr Sue Levy (X)
3 hrs
thanks everyone !
agree writeaway : good solution-better than no sham shame .........
5 hrs
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agree Vicky Papaprodromou
6 hrs
thanks everyone !
agree sktrans
8 hrs
thanks everyone !
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10 hrs

False modesty

This is a common English cliché which seems to translate the thought of "fausse honte"
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