Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
fausse honte
English translation:
false modesty
Added to glossary by
Crystal Samples
Jul 10, 2005 16:32
18 yrs ago
French term
fausse honte
French to English
Art/Literary
Poetry & Literature
play, opera
MARGUERITE.
...Tu comprends bien alors que je ne peux garder ici ni mes pratiques, ni mon état, je te cède tout cela!
MANON.
A moi!
MARGUERITE
Un bel et bon état, une fortune assurée! avec du travail, de l’ordre, de l’économie; pas de fausse honte, mets-toi à l’ouvrage: Aide-toi, la ciel t’aidera!
...Tu comprends bien alors que je ne peux garder ici ni mes pratiques, ni mon état, je te cède tout cela!
MANON.
A moi!
MARGUERITE
Un bel et bon état, une fortune assurée! avec du travail, de l’ordre, de l’économie; pas de fausse honte, mets-toi à l’ouvrage: Aide-toi, la ciel t’aidera!
Proposed translations
(English)
5 | false modesty | zaphod |
4 +8 | don't feign shame | Paul Hirsh |
3 +1 | false shame | Allan MacKinnon (X) |
3 +1 | pretense of shame | RHELLER |
3 | False modesty | 234561 |
Proposed translations
19 mins
Selected
false modesty
In this context, don't discount yourself too much
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Comment: "Well, this is what I chose and what makes the most sense to me. Thank you all for your responses and the research and time that you put into them."
+1
8 mins
false shame
Seems the speaker is just saying the other person should not be deceitful.
I found a link from Google (remember Google isn't totally trustworthy)that may be useful.
http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org/falses51.html
However, a second type of shame is introduced. "False shame" is claimed to be similar to "legitimate shame" in terms of humiliation experienced plus the fear of exposure and abandonment. It has no beginning point, no remedy, and is connected with "how we perceive ourselves at the core of our being" (flawed and defective) rather than with our actual sin. "Shame is the sense of feeling flawed, defective and unacceptable as a person" (37). The author insists that no one has escaped this "false shame," and she proposes a "contagious," cyclical pattern wherein people shame one another and perpetuate "false shame" in others (37-46). She teaches that Satan originates it, because "he knows the areas that are especially painful to each person and he reminds us of them over and over" (10). Like Bradshaw, this author attributes the development of "false shame" to early childhood experiences, including parental abuse and the sense of being different from others (14-15). She believes that "one’s core beliefs about one’s self are usually in place before adolescence" (17). Because such "core beliefs" are based on a variety of sources, even persons from "warm, functional" homes may suffer from the impact of shame (17).
I hope this is useful. Sounds okay.
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Note added at 14 mins (2005-07-10 16:46:53 GMT)
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Hmm...
After reading more of the article I posted maybe it means being honest with oneself and others by not letting your past or your upbringing make you take a wrong path.
I found a link from Google (remember Google isn't totally trustworthy)that may be useful.
http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org/falses51.html
However, a second type of shame is introduced. "False shame" is claimed to be similar to "legitimate shame" in terms of humiliation experienced plus the fear of exposure and abandonment. It has no beginning point, no remedy, and is connected with "how we perceive ourselves at the core of our being" (flawed and defective) rather than with our actual sin. "Shame is the sense of feeling flawed, defective and unacceptable as a person" (37). The author insists that no one has escaped this "false shame," and she proposes a "contagious," cyclical pattern wherein people shame one another and perpetuate "false shame" in others (37-46). She teaches that Satan originates it, because "he knows the areas that are especially painful to each person and he reminds us of them over and over" (10). Like Bradshaw, this author attributes the development of "false shame" to early childhood experiences, including parental abuse and the sense of being different from others (14-15). She believes that "one’s core beliefs about one’s self are usually in place before adolescence" (17). Because such "core beliefs" are based on a variety of sources, even persons from "warm, functional" homes may suffer from the impact of shame (17).
I hope this is useful. Sounds okay.
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Note added at 14 mins (2005-07-10 16:46:53 GMT)
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Hmm...
After reading more of the article I posted maybe it means being honest with oneself and others by not letting your past or your upbringing make you take a wrong path.
Peer comment(s):
agree |
writeaway
: right term, but it's nothing about deceit-Manon works as a prostitute./ opera Manon Lescaut by Puccini, based on novel by Abbé Prévost and there's also the opera Manon by Massenet.. bacteria-free culture :-)
3 mins
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Die Kameliendame (Lady of the Camellias); Ballet by John Neumeier; Music by Frédéric Chopin. Tsk...I need more culture in my diet and I'm not talking bacteria.
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+1
20 mins
pretense of shame
The arrogance and child exploitation continue without any pretense of shame. The DHS Administration has learned nothing from this or any of its previous ...
www.thesociologycenter.com/EighthCity/IToldYouSo.html -
www.thesociologycenter.com/EighthCity/IToldYouSo.html -
+8
1 hr
don't feign shame
to translate "pas de fausse honte"
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Anna Maria Augustine (X)
4 mins
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thanks !
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agree |
Besmir (X)
: very cute!!!
36 mins
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thanks everyone !
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agree |
Anne McKee
: wraps it up nicely
1 hr
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thanks everyone !
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agree |
Allan MacKinnon (X)
: snappier since it rhymes a bit
2 hrs
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thanks everyone !
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agree |
Dr Sue Levy (X)
3 hrs
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thanks everyone !
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agree |
writeaway
: good solution-better than no sham shame .........
5 hrs
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thanks everyone !
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agree |
Vicky Papaprodromou
6 hrs
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thanks everyone !
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agree |
sktrans
8 hrs
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thanks everyone !
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10 hrs
False modesty
This is a common English cliché which seems to translate the thought of "fausse honte"
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