Glossary entry

German term or phrase:

Menschenfänger

English translation:

Pied Pipers

Added to glossary by silfilla
Apr 28, 2005 01:11
19 yrs ago
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German term

Menschenfänger

German to English Art/Literary Linguistics
Ken Wilber: Meister, Gurus, Menschenfänger
another literature citation that needs to be translated. Any ideas?
Thanks so much!

Discussion

silfilla Apr 28, 2005:
If the bible has an appropriate word for *Gauner-Guru* and the like (see the book's summary below) ;-) Hope you're having fun! :-)
Non-ProZ.com Apr 28, 2005:
I have not read the book, but given the other two terms a Christian reference might well work.

Proposed translations

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German term (edited): Menschenf�nger
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Pied Pipers

an attempt:

Ken Wilber: Masters, Gurus, Pied Pipers
Ken Wilber: Spiritual Teachers, Gurus, Pied Pipers

Here, Menschenfaenger seems to refer to leaders of sects/groups who tempt the naive to join their questionable organizations

from a summary of the book:
Welche der Wege zu spiritueller Erfahrung, innerem Frieden, geistiger Transformation, die heute angeboten werden, sind authentisch? Welche Gruppen und Gemeinschaften sind mit Vorsicht zu genießen oder gehören gar in die Kategorie der potentiell gefährlichen Sekten? Wie unterscheidet man zwischen einem echten spirituellen Lehrer und einem Gauner-Guru? Dieses Buch hilft dem Leser, selbst zu einem kompetenten Urteil zu gelangen.



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Note added at 18 mins (2005-04-28 01:30:24 GMT)
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http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/3596138256/qid=1114650...

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Here\'s the summary for the English equivalent rangepost located and linked below:

This book presents the results of a major, year-long study conducted at the Center for the Study of New Religious Movements in Berkeley, California, on the topic of spiritual tyranny versus legitimate spiritual authority. It includes articles and interviews designed to sharpen the reader\'s ability to recognize valid approaches to inner spiritual develpment. Dick Anthony developed a typology of consciousness groups, in which Ouspensky\'s The Fourth Way is used as a prominent example. \"A major contribution. I consider this book essential reading for anyone who wants to choose a spiritual path intelligently.\" - Charles T. Tart

It\'s interesting that the German publication emphasizes Ken Wilber\'s name, status, and contribution wherease the English original -- *if* the two editions are absolutely identical, and we can\'t be sure about that absent hard proof -- emphasizes Dick Anthony\'s name and contribution. I know, I know -- authors and books are commodities...
Peer comment(s):

agree Teresa Reinhardt
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thanks :-)
agree shabda
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thanks :-)
agree Victor Dewsbery : On the information in the question, this is a good solution (although I haven't followed the other questions on this job).
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thanks :-)
agree franglish
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thanks
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "thanks again for you great help on this project!"
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German term (edited): Menschenf�nger

fishers of men

"Masters, Gurus and Fishers of Men"

This is of course a Christian reference: Jesus asked the fishermen/brothers Andrew and Simon to follow him, as he would make them "fishers of men." Perhaps that tone fits the tone of the referenced book.
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agree Johanna Timm, PhD : excellent
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agree Edda Emery (X)
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agree Craig Meulen : nice, poetic, relevant ... praise be to Michael!
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agree shabda
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neutral Victor Dewsbery : "Menschenfänger" sounds like a manipulator or demagogue. I don't agree that "fishers of men" has these undertones.
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German term (edited): Menschenf�nger

not for points

Two links to (I think) the orig eng.
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neutral silfilla : you're right: *Spiritual Choices: The Problems of Recognizing Authentic Paths to Inner Transformation* might be it (I'm surprised at the stark difference in tone between the two titles)
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Thanks
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German term (edited): Meister, Gurus, Menschenf�nger

Spiritual Choices

This is the title of the original English version of the book.

Spiritual Choices: The Problem of Recognizing Authentic Paths to inner Transformation (co-authors: Dick Anthony, Bruce Ecker) (dt.: Meister, Gurus, Menschenfänger)
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neutral silfilla : see rangepost's link and my comment on his link
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German term (edited): Menschenf�nger

Spiritual Tyrants

I've adapted this term from reading the description of the English book on the link provided by a colleague above.

But remember, if you're translating the title (not just the word), you need to use the title of the original as used in English, no matter how different it is!
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German term (edited): Menschenf�nger

catcher

men catcher oder catcher of men (human beings scheint mir etwas umständlich) - Die Idee kam mir von "Der Fänger im Roggen"="The catcher in the rye".
Dieser Fänger hat die allerdings sinnbildlich die Aufgabe eines Retters .. good luck!
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