aufkündigte

English translation: announced

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German term or phrase:	aufkündigte
English translation:	announced
Entered by:	Bernhard Sulzer

16:05 Sep 5, 2008

German to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Poetry & Literature / old German

German term or phrase: aufkündigte

Joseph Haydn is asking somebody ( a Well Born) to pay money to an organ builder so he can get a new piano to deliver some exceptional compositions. In order to assure the Well Born of his serious willingness to pay back the money, he writes:

um Sie zu überzeugen, daß ich wort halten werde, lege
ich gegenwärtigen oleine wechsel bey, welchen ich eben heute *aufkündigte* Post Tag eine obligation per Tausent gulden von meinem Fürsten selbst unterschrieben
einhändigen.

my feeble/fast attempt: let me know how off I am please.

...I am attaching the current single bill of exchange *redeemable/redeemed/canceled* on today’s (postal/posted) date which is an obligation of one thousand Gulden (Guidlers) signed by my duke/prince.

This is a sample text and by Gosh this makes not much sense to me.

TIA

Bernhard Sulzer KudoZ activity Questions: 126 (none open) (4 closed without grading) Answers: 1859 United States
Local time: 20:01

announced

Explanation:
Aufkündigen= fehlerhafte Transliteration von n/u >>ankündigen
Oleine>kleine
Interesse> Zinsen
Post> Nach.

Übersetzt ins Neuhochdeutsche:
"Um Sie zu überzeugen, dass ich mein Wort halten werde, lege ich jetzt (“gegenwärtig”) einen kleinen Scheck (“Wechsel”) bei, welchen ich für den heutigen Tag ankündigte. Am nächsten (post) Tag werde ich (Ihnen) eine Obligation über 1000 Gulden von meinem Fürsten samt seiner Unterschrift aushändigen (*einhändigen*). "

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Note added at 10 hrs (2008-09-06 02:48:20 GMT)
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"Interesse" ist hier aus Versehen reingerutscht - ich hab dir den ganzen Absatz auch in die yahoo-Gruppe geschickt.

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Note added at 11 hrs (2008-09-06 03:14:41 GMT)
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errm ...I *thought* I posted it ( tried 3 times), but can't see my message on yahoo. So here's the entire para:

..bin ich in das stocken gerathen gegenwÃ¤rtiger Brief soll unterdess[en] zu Ihrer sicherung dienen und bey allen gerichten giltig seyn. Die Interesse[n] werd ich mit Notten ersetzen."

My attempt:
... bin ich in Verzug geraten, weshalb dieser Brief Ihnen als Sicherung dienen und vor allen Gerichten beweiskräftig (giltig) sein soll. Die von mir geschuldeten Verzugszinsen ( Interessen) werde ich in Form von musikalischen Werke begleichen.

*Interesse
Herkunft:
lat. inter = zwischen und esse = sein. Im Mittellateinischen wurde das Verb substantiviert und im 15. Jh. ins Deutsche entlehnt, wo es anfangs ein anderes Bedeutungsspektrum besaß (entgangener Nutzen, durch Versäumnis erwachsener Schaden; Zinsen, Vorteil). Erst im 18. Jh. übernimmt es die Bedeutung Aufmerksamkeit, Anteilnahme aus dem Frz. intérêt, diese Bedeutung wiederum stammt aus der lateinischen Form interest "es ist von Wichtigkeit".

http://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/Interesse

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Note added at 1 day4 hrs (2008-09-06 20:56:56 GMT)
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musikalischen Werke*n* natürlich--- sorry!!

Selected response from:

Johanna Timm, PhD
Canada
Local time: 17:01

Grading comment

danke dir!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

2 +3

canceled

Ingeborg Gowans (X)

3 +1

announced

Johanna Timm, PhD

(had) issued

Lioba Multer

recovered

Olga Offermann

Summary of reference entries provided

Kim Metzger

Discussion entries: 6

Answers

18 mins confidence:

recovered

Explanation:
Judging by the meaning...

Olga Offermann
Germany
Local time: 02:01
Works in field
Native speaker of:

Russian

Notes to answerer

Asker: thanks for your entry, galeo!

10 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

announced

Johanna Timm, PhD
Canada
Local time: 17:01
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

German
PRO pts in category: 69

Grading comment

danke dir!

Notes to answerer

Asker: What a text! With all the mistakes in it, I am definitely leaning towards the more literal meaning. Thank you also for your comprehensive approach and explanations!

36 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +3

canceled

Explanation:
see my note under "discussion"

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Note added at 5 days (2008-09-11 10:34:37 GMT) Post-grading
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@ Bernhard: after having read Johanna's comment I bow to her expertise, and I am glad you chose her answer!

Ingeborg Gowans (X)
Canada
Local time: 21:01
Works in field
Native speaker of: German
PRO pts in category: 8

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thank you, Ingeborg! Will do. :)

Asker: tough one. I am still not completely convinced due to mistakes in the original text. So I am leaning towards Johanna's more literal take. Thank you for your input, Ingeborg!

115 days confidence:

(had) issued

Explanation:
Seems to be the only translation that makes sense in the context. A dictionary of early New High German would be helpful here.

Lioba Multer
United States
Local time: 17:01
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

German
PRO pts in category: 4

Reference comments

6 mins peer agreement (net): +1

Reference

Reference information:
Hi Bernhard - are you familiar with the non-current German forum in Yahoo Groups? I'd give them a try.

This is a group for specialists -- translators; scholars, academics, and graduate students in various fields; and professional genealogists, among others -- who translate or work with non-current (18th- to 20th-century) German, including old handwritten or typed letters and diaries, printed documents, and historical or literary material of all sorts. Its purpose is to pool members' expertise and resources in terminology, regional terms and variants, non-standard grammar, official jargon, social and cultural conventions, and other elements that make a given text difficult to convey in English.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/non_current_German/

Kim Metzger
Mexico
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 213

Note to reference poster

Asker: Thank you very much, Kim!

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