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Glossary entry

Russian term or phrase:

набережная (реки)

English translation:

embankment

Added to glossary by Andrey Belonogov
Mar 28, 2008 01:31
16 yrs ago
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Russian term

набережная

Russian to English Tech/Engineering Construction / Civil Engineering
как перевести термин "набережная" (применительно к реке) в этом смысле:
Космодамианская набережная
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Космодамианская набережная
(мне нужен именно перевод термина, а не названия набережной)
Proposed translations (English)
4 +8 (river) embankment
4 +1 Kosmodamianskaya Quay
3 +1 quay

Discussion

natasha stoyanova Apr 4, 2008:
When it is public/famous enough there's no need of adding "street". But it is your choice.
Andrey Belonogov (asker) Apr 3, 2008:
нашёл! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thames_Embankment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Embankment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Embankment

кстати, Victoria Embankment в "Великобритания. Лингвострановедческий словарь" переводится как "набережная Виктории"
Andrey Belonogov (asker) Apr 3, 2008:
уточнение из словаря: набережная - 1) берег, укреплённый стенкой из бетона, камня, дерева, 2) А ТАКЖЕ УЛИЦА, идущая вдоль такого берега или вообще вдоль берега...

я посмотрел значения английских слов embankment, quay, levee... все они совпадают лишь с первым значением...

неужели нужно писать Kosmodamianskaya Embankment Street ???
natasha stoyanova Mar 28, 2008:
By the way, if it is popular enough as "Kosmodamianskaya quay" - on sites, maps, etc. it is better to keep up witn this name, no matter if it is correct or not. There are many samples of "misunderstood" public names
Vladimir Dubisskiy Mar 28, 2008:
Well, yes, it's 100% Russian name and located in Moscow, that's why "Most of the sources that mention "Kosmodamianskaya quay" are from .ru domains". But i am not arguing, just another opinion - it's up to asker, really.
Mikhail Kropotov Mar 28, 2008:
Also, you said "I believe, embankment is more about construction (civil engineering) than architectural term." If you look closely, the asker's indicated Construction/Civil Engineering as the field. Enough said.
natasha stoyanova Mar 28, 2008:
As I see it, quay is a specially build structure, like a river sleeve, to be used as a dock, so if the street is along the quay, it will be ... quay; if it is on the river bank, it is embankment, is it not?
Mikhail Kropotov Mar 28, 2008:
Most of the sources that mention "Kosmodamianskaya quay" are from .ru domains. I.e. the least reliable sources.
Vladimir Dubisskiy Mar 28, 2008:
Mikhail, when saying "однозначно принято" I mean exclusively Космодамианская набережная - and, yes, it's only my guess, based on those findings ('quay' used by some Board of Architecture and realtors etc.). Nothing else.
Mikhail Kropotov Mar 28, 2008:
Thanks, Natasha. Like I said, no problem there.
What I'd like Vladimir to do is reconsider his claim that "тут однозначно принято именно это название." It has no basis in reality, does it, Vladimir?
natasha stoyanova Mar 28, 2008:
Vladimir, I did not comment on your answer; I agree with it. In London, there is an area called the Docklands, Surrey quays, etc. I meant that Mikhail may omit "river" from his suggestion. :)
Vladimir Dubisskiy Mar 28, 2008:
to natasha: here is 'quay' (in London :-)): Thames Quay (that's what i mean when talking 'urban environment' : www.chelseaharbourliving.co.uk/thames_quay.html
Mikhail Kropotov Mar 28, 2008:
I have no problem with that.
natasha stoyanova Mar 28, 2008:
To Mikhail: In London, saying the Embankment or Victoria embankment, one never thinks of other meanings of "embankment". I'd rather say when one means embankment in terms of rail/engineering fills, dykes, etc, then one has to specify it as "rail" or "land

Proposed translations

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(river) embankment

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Note added at 42 mins (2008-03-28 02:14:02 GMT)
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What is the difference between embankment and quay?
Quay is not (or should not be) used to refer to the paved road of набережная.

embankment
n.
1. a wall or bank of earth or stone built to prevent a river flooding an area.
2. a bank of earth or stone built to carry a road or railroad over an area of low ground.
http://www.answers.com/embankment&r=67

quay
n.
A wharf or reinforced bank where ships are loaded or unloaded.
http://www.answers.com/quay&r=67

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Note added at 4 hrs (2008-03-28 06:19:39 GMT)
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Results of Google search for the exact phrases:

Results 1 - 10 of about 294 for "Kosmodamianskaya embankment"
Results 1 - 10 of about 53 for "Kosmodamianskaya quay"

Consider also that the latter query (quay) includes results from Google's indexing of this question page :)
Peer comment(s):
agree Jack Doughty
1 min
Thank you!
agree GaryG
1 min
Thank you!
agree natasha stoyanova : embankment is enough, it means "a river bank"
1 min
Thanks. Are you aware of railroad embankments?
agree Mark Berelekhis
2 mins
Thank you!
agree The Misha
26 mins
Thanks!
agree Alexander Kondorsky
4 hrs
agree Oleandra
9 hrs
agree Iosif JUHASZ
2 days 9 hrs
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+1
22 mins

quay

Peer comment(s):
agree Vladimir Dubisskiy : i suspected it and was looking specifically for Kosmodamiamskaya Quay :-))
11 mins
Спасибо :0)
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+1
31 mins

Kosmodamianskaya Quay

That's how they call it. I believe in this case "Quay" is already in use by various sources.

Russia / Россия >> The city of Moscow and Moscow region / Москва и Московская область > 16.12.2006 - Moscow, Kosmodamianskaya quay ...
www.pbase.com/dimenty/image/71722681 - 10k - Cached - Similar pages
16.12.2006 - Moscow, Kosmodamianskaya quay photo - Dmitry Zamorin ...

[DOC]
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Kosmodamianskaya quay 46/50. 7п, 7/9 К, 60,1/36,3/8,6, $405 000, 19.12.06, High quality renovation (there is a parquet floor in the rooms and linoleum in ...
www.flatlink.ru/sale/2room_eng.doc - Similar pages

CONSTRUCTION WORLD: THE ASSOCIATE BOARD OF ARCHITECTURE ...
The work of complex improvement of Kosmodamianskaya Quay was completed in central Moscow, the prefecture of the central administrative district reported. ...
www.stroi.ru/eng/default.aspx?d=52&dr=2164&m=2 - 26k - Cached - Similar pages

Long Arms Festival-2 (2005)
Address: Kosmodamianskaya quay, 52- 8 at 19.00 [new academic music] Performance "Song twenty third. Patrocl's Burial. Games ' (Illiada, Homere) ...
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Evektor - Aerotechnik
Street: Kosmodamianskaya quay 26. City: Moscow. ZIP code: 115035. Country: Russian Federation. Telephone: +7 495 953 7030. Cell phone: +7 985 760 8218 ...
www.evektor.cz/at/en/dealerlist.asp?idplane=2 - 56k - Cached - Similar pages

Moscow hotels
Russia,Moscow , Shlyzovaya Quay,6/1. Russia,Moscow , Shlyzovaya Quay,6/1. Russia,Moscow , Shlyzovaya Quay ... Moscow, Kosmodamianskaya Nab., 52, Building 6 ...
english.vmoskvu.ru/restaurant.html - 56k - Cached - Similar pages

Street retail . | Arendator.ru - commercial real estate in Moscow ...
Kosmodamianskaya Naberezhnaya (Quay). Nearest Metro Station. Paveletskaya. Metro Station Remoteness. 10 minutes walk. Retail Premises. Square. 653 sq. m ...
eng.arendator.ru/show_tc_cur.php?id=12936&tp=user

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Note added at 16 hrs (2008-03-28 17:42:14 GMT)
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Very briefly:

I believe, "embankment" is more about construction (civil engineering) than architectural term; like say "levee, dam, dike ". You may check the Dictionaries (say Lingvo12):
embankment:
1st meaning: сооружение насыпи, дамбы, вала

2nd meaning: насыпь, дамба, плотина, перемычка
синонимы: bank, dam, levee

3rd meaning: набережная
синонимы: quay, wharf

then look for
quay:
1) набережная
2)пристань, причал

If we talk about some urban architectural environment (like in the case) "quay" is preferable (well, at least to me).



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Note added at 16 hrs (2008-03-28 17:55:19 GMT)
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When talking about using the term in the urban environment I am talking about something like the below (UK too):

Thames Quay has the longest frontage to the Thames of any building in Chelsea Harbour. Thames Quay also dominates the Marina, looking directly across at the ...
www.chelseaharbourliving.co.uk/thames_quay.html
Peer comment(s):
agree bububu : похоже, что зависит от страны...
27 mins
тут однозначно принято именно это название (даже и архитекторами :-)) И потом это зависит от функции набережной и от контекста.
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