A simple remark yet it baffles the awesome

Alan Wang wrote:

如果有人认为这个主体是humankind，也不妨一笑置之。

Alan Wang wrote:

一笑置之基本上就是不予置评，后来觉得他说的有道理。也评论了，这不就结了吗？

因为这个译文会有点名人效应，所以拿来说事。
这里不是讨论许先生为人如何或成就如何（是否为鹰，是鹰又如何等等）的问题。许先生肯定是有成就的，这是不用怀疑的。他的成就是他一生实实在在做的事情。
说句实话，如果不是他有点名头，讨论这个译文至少我不会有什么兴趣。

为什么讨论名人的作品就会让你反感呢？名人碰不得？还是等级观念作怪？

The institution of the harem exerted a certain fascination on the European imagination, especially during the Age of Romanticism, and was a central trope of Orientalism in the arts, due in part to the writings of the adventurer Richard Francis Burton. Many Westerners falsely imagined a harem as a brothel consisting of many sensual young women lying around pools with oiled bodies, with the sole purpose of pleasing the powerful man to whom they had given themselves. Much of this is recorded in art from that period, usually portraying groups of attractive women lounging nude by spas and pools.

A centuries-old theme in Western culture is the depiction of European women forcibly taken into Oriental harems - evident for example in the Mozart opera Die Entführung aus dem Serail ("The Abduction from the Seraglio") concerning the attempt of the hero Belmonte to rescue his beloved Konstanze from the seraglio/harem of the Pasha Selim; or in Voltaire's Candide, in chapter 12 of which the old woman relates her experiences of being sold into harems across the Ottoman Empire.

"The Lustful Turk", a well-known British erotic novel was also based on the theme of Westen women forced into sexual slavery in a Harem (that of the Deyof Algiers; while in "A Night in a Moorish Harem", a Western man invades a Harem and enjoys forbidden sex with nine concubines. In both works, the theme of "West vs. Orient" is clearly interweaved with the sexual themes.

Zhoudan wrote:

你们这里讨论的内容我没有细看，先不谈。请容我说说这两天在查资料时发现的问题。最近翻译的资料很有文学性，还引用了波德莱尔《恶之花》中《首饰》一诗的前两节英译文。我特意找了两本名家翻译的《恶之花》，中译文对照了一下，大同小异，再对照英译文，其中第一节最后一句(Like Moorish concubines on their fortunate days)跟中译文很不同。

英译文：
My darling was naked, and knowing my heart well,
She was wearing only her sonorous jewels,
Whose opulent display made her look triumphant
Like Moorish concubines on their fortunate days.

When it dances and flings its lively, mocking sound,
This radiant world of metal and of gems
Transports me with delight; I passionately love
All things in which sound is mingled with light.

Charles Baudelaire, “Les Bijoux” (“The Jewels”), Les Fleurs du Mal (Flowers of Evil), 1857, translated by William Aggeler (Fresno: Academy Library Guild, 1954).


人民文学版这一句的译文是：
像摩尔人女奴欢庆快乐的节日。

上海译文版
如同狂欢节上摩尔人的女奴。

英译本怎么看都没有女奴字样。

这两个中译本都是根据法文版翻译的。我没有法文版，不知道原文到底是怎样的。懂法文的朋友要是有兴趣不妨查查原文，看看到底是怎么回事。

Alan Wang wrote:

为什么讨论名人的作品就会让你反感呢？名人碰不得？还是等级观念作怪？

奥巴马 just said:
...tyrany is no much for liberty

ysun wrote:

Alan Wang wrote:

是啊，你应该认真学习领会奥巴马的讲话精神，再来交流。

ysun wrote:


“...tyrany is no much for liberty”? What does it mean? As far as I know, Obama never said that. If Obama had ever said that, 那么他就永远只能飞得比鸡还低！

[Edited at 2012-01-25 04:10 GMT]

wherestip wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harem

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors

Alan Wang wrote:

更正：
No match for liberty

一不小心这里就成了鸡飞狗跳的地方了。