Glossary entry

Spanish term or phrase:

al margen de la ley

English translation:

(terrorism, counterintelligence) subversive groups / elements

Added to glossary by Michael Powers (PhD)
Jun 13, 2005 18:24
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Spanish term

al margen de la ley

Spanish to English Law/Patents Law (general)
De Colombia

We must have an idiomatic way of saying this.

Constancia de la FISCSAL TRECE - UNAIM, de que había evidencias de personas al margen de la ley interesadas en atenta contra la vida e integridad personal del señor Briagadier General MANZANA PERA FRESA o su familia.

Proposed translations

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subversive groups / elements/subjects

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grupos armados al margen de la ley, la. producción y comercialización de drogas
ilegales ... Between 1990 and 2000, the subversive groups ...
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Peer comment(s):

agree Patrick Weill
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agree Orkoyen (X) : Yes—to subvert
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "There are a lot of good suggestions for answering this particular phrase; however, within the context of counterintelligence, specifically in Colombia with FARC, ELN, paramilitary, etc., I believe this is the best answer. In the glossary I will clarify that this is the translation in terrorism and counterintelligence usage."
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outside the law...

...could be a version.

Andy
Peer comment(s):

agree bigedsenior
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agree Marcelo González : this is the idea (as it descibes where they operate) :-)
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individuals outside the law

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Peer comment(s):

agree guenthpw : Your answer would be correct for the Spanish term "fuera de la ley", but not for "al margen de la ley". Sorry. Marcelo González' answer is the most accurate translation: "(who operate) on the fringe of (the) law"
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(who operate) on the fringe of (the) law

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Peer comment(s):

agree Daniel Burns (X)
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Thank you, Daniel :-)
agree Marina Soldati
2 hrs
Gracias, Marina, y saludos desde Nuevo México :-))
agree Christina Courtright : best choice in this context
16 hrs
thanks :-))
agree guenthpw : Go to him for translations. He knows Spanish!
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Even more than a decade later, love the feedback!!! Cheers and many thanks :-)
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outlaws

Suerte.
Peer comment(s):

agree Miguel Falquez-Certain
1 min
Muchas gracias Nigelguy. :-)
agree Gabriela Rodriguez
5 mins
Muchas gracias Gaby. :-)
neutral duchess : bit too cowboys and indians for me, sorry
12 mins
Gracias por tu opinión.
agree Margarita Gonzalez
32 mins
Muchas gracias Marga. :-)
agree Manuel Cedeño Berrueta
4 hrs
Muchas gracias Manuel.
agree zemba : De acuerdo, María.
8 hrs
Muchas gracias Zemba. :-)
agree Oso (X) : ¶:^)
11 hrs
Mil gracias Oso. Rocky te manda saluditos.
agree Clara Nino
1 day 3 hrs
Muchas gracias Clisaz. :-)
agree Alicia Casal : Muchas gracias Clisaz.
1 day 7 hrs
disagree guenthpw : This answer fits the term "fuera de la ley"
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criminal elements

Not sure why, but sounds better than just plain 'criminals'.
Peer comment(s):

agree Margarita Palatnik (X)
5 mins
Thanks, Margarita
agree Carlos Diaz de Leon
7 mins
Thanks, Carlos
agree *TRANSCRIPT
15 mins
Thank you, Transcript
agree Mijo Schyllert
20 mins
Thanks, Mijo
agree Maria Arcelus
2 hrs
Thank you, Maria
agree Manuel Cedeño Berrueta : I like this one, but I also like “outlaw”.
3 hrs
Thanks, Manuel
disagree Marcelo González : Sorry dutchess. :-) >The problem is that we have to describe where these individuals operate... :-)) >Doesn't this describe the actual people, and not so much the envirnonment in which they work (i.e., "al margen de la ley")?
1 day 20 hrs
Thanks, actually I know what you're saying, but it's just that I was looking at this particular context. Otherwise I would have perhaps said 'criminal', 'illegal' but then what what would you do with 'people'?
disagree guenthpw : Your answer fits the question "elementos criminales". The most faithful translation remains: "(who operate) on the fringe of (the) law" by Marcelo González.
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criminal elements

Not sure why, but sounds better than just plain 'criminals'.
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who skirt the law

To lie along or form the edge of; border: the creek that skirts our property.
To pass around rather than across or through: changed their course to skirt the storm.
To pass close to; miss narrowly: The bullet skirted an artery.
To evade, as by circumlocution: skirted the controversial issue

("Donors skirt campaign finance law").

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oops...the verb definition from...v.tr....http://www.answers.com/skirt
Peer comment(s):

agree guenthpw : But the best answer is the most faithful translation: "(who operate) on the fringe of (the) law" by Marcelo González.
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on the outskirts of the law

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Peer comment(s):

disagree guenthpw : "Outskirts" is already outside. "Fringes" is like "on the edge", i.e., not quite outside. One step farther and you are on the other side. You then are looking in from the "outskirts."
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Spanish term (edited): personas al margen de la ley

lawbreakers

lawbreaker
 Definition
1. one who disobeys the law.
http://www.wordsmyth.net

 
 
 

 
Related Words
 
culprit , criminal , outlaw , convict

 
 
 

 
Derived Forms
 
lawbreaking, [n.], adj.
Peer comment(s):

agree Oso (X) : ¶:^)
7 hrs
Sr. Oso, es usted muy amable. Saludos Cordiales. 8-)
neutral Marcelo González : Es cierto lo que dice en cuanto a lo que aparece en la parte de abajo, pero su respuesta describe a la gente, y no el ambiente en que andan...>Sorry, colemh. This describes the people, not where they do their dastardly deeds...
1 day 20 hrs
Marcelo, si observa con atención el párrafo que incluye el término, estoy contestando bajo el supuesto de “personas al margen de la ley”. Bajo este contexto lawbreakers es precisamente eso. Gracias por sus comentarios.
agree guenthpw : The first Spanish word for "lawbreaker" would be "infractor" or "delincuente" or "transgresor". The most faithful translation remains: "(who operate) on the fringe of (the) law" by Marcelo González.
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In support of María’s answer.

We must remember that the meaning of words change with the pass of time; please see the current meaning of “outlaw”, not only its original meaning.

Best regards,
Manuel
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Quick definitions (Outlaw)
• noun: someone who has committed (or been legally convicted of) a crime
• verb: declare illegal; outlaw
http://www.onelook.com/?w=outlaw&ls=a


Main Entry: 1out•law
Pronunciation: 'aut-"lo
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English outlawe, from Old English utlaga, from Old Norse utlagi, from ut out (akin to Old English ut out) + lag-, log law -- more at OUT, LAW
1 : a person excluded from the benefit or protection of the law
2 a : a lawless person or a fugitive from the law b : a person or organization under a ban or restriction c : one that is unconventional or rebellious
3 : an animal (as a horse) that is wild and unmanageable
- outlaw adjective
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=out...


The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.

outlaw

SYLLABICATION: out•law
PRONUNCIATION: out lô
NOUN: 1a. A fugitive from the law. b. A habitual criminal. c. A rebel; a nonconformist: a social outlaw. 2. A person excluded from normal legal protection and rights. 3. A wild or vicious horse or other animal.
TRANSITIVE VERB: Inflected forms: out•lawed, out•law•ing, out•laws
1. To declare illegal: outlawed the sale of firearms. 2. To place under a ban; prohibit: outlawed smoking in the house. 3. To deprive (one declared to be a criminal fugitive) of the protection of the law.
ETYMOLOGY: Middle English outlaue, from Old English tlaga, from Old Norse tlagi, from tlagr, outlawed, banished : t, out; see ud- in Appendix I + lög, law; see legh- in Appendix I.
OTHER FORMS: out law —ADJECTIVE
WORD HISTORY: The word outlaw brings to mind the cattle rustlers and gunslingers of the Wild West, but it comes to us from a much earlier time, when guns were not yet invented but cattle stealing was. Outlaw can be traced back to the Old Norse word tlagr, “outlawed, banished,” made up of t, “out,” and lög, “law.” An tlagi (derived from tlagr) was someone outside the protection of the law. The Scandinavians, who invaded and settled in England during the 8th through the 11th century, gave us the Old English word tlaga, which designated someone who because of criminal acts had to give up his property to the crown and could be killed without recrimination. The legal status of the outlaw became less severe over the course of the Middle Ages. However, the looser use of the word to designate criminals in general, which arose in Middle English, lives on in tales of the Wild West.


The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition. Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by the Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
http://www.bartleby.com/61/10/O0161000.html

All the best,
Manuel
Peer comment(s):

disagree Marcelo González : With all due respect, common usage, in this context, "trumps" prescriptive authority. On hearing "outlaws" (the noun) many native speakers will always think of "Cowboys and Indians" and the Hollywood-hyped Jessie James. :-)
1 day 1 hr
Thank you for your comment, Marcelo; I will bear it in mind.
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who would take the law in their own hands

Many interesting suggestions, but IN THIS CONTEXT, speaking of an attempt on the guy's life, I believe the intent of the author is slightly different from the literal meaning of the expression. He/she is not speaking of criminal elements generically, but rather people who feel strongly enough to take action outside the law. This is my take on the overall meaning of the text.
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anarchists

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who undermine the law

to emphasize the chaotic/destructive nature of such action
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outside the law; illegal

The expression refers to someone acting outside the law, an outlaw. If someone doesn't act according to the law, then their actions are outside the law or illegal.
Example sentence:

[...] juzgamiento de los crímenes cometidos contra la población civil por miembros de grupos armados al margen de la ley en Colombia.

[...] designed to prosecute crimes committed against the civilian population by armed groups operating outside the law in Colombia.

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