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Glossary entry

español term or phrase:

ajenidad

inglés translation:

not pertaining

Added to glossary by Simon Bruni
May 3, 2006 10:11
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español term

ajenidad

español al inglés Jurídico/Patentes Derecho: (general) Roman law
Hello. From a review of a book on "actiones negotiorum gestorum".

"ajenidad" is used extensively in my source text to describe the "pertaining-to-somebody-else-ness" of affairs which are managed by the agent (on the principal's behalf)

For example:

"Sin embargo, esta exigencia no es mantenida por aquellos juristas –muy claramente Ulpiano- que incluyen en este esquema las actuaciones realizadas sui lucri causa y depraedandi causa, es decir, en interés propio aunque consciente de la *ajenidad* de la cuestión.

I translated this in a roundabout way: "...for one’s own interests despite being aware that the affairs are somebody else’s", but I would like to find a better alternative, if possible, particularly for subsequent sentences such as:

"Por todo ello, en opinión del a., el único elemento subjetivo indiscutible para el ejercicio de la acción civil es la ajenidad del negocio."

Any ideas? Thanks for your help :)
Proposed translations (inglés)
4 not pertaining/irrelevance
4 +1 alienness
5 managing another's affairs without a mandate
4 foreignness
4 lack of responsibility
4 fact that x is taken/done on another's behalf
3 the business neutrality / affairs have been taken by a group of people (group action)

Discussion

Edward Tully May 3, 2006:
just remembered a fixed expression "outside of their remit" which may be of use! Good luck!
Simon Bruni (asker) May 3, 2006:
Hi. A comment:

"ajenidad" in this instance cannot refer to non-involvement or foreignness, as the agent in question is deeply involved in (and no foreigner to) the affairs of the prinicpal. In fact they are managing their affairs (the principal may be absent, dead or a prisoner of war etc.).

Apologies if I didn't explain this properly, it's quite a complex issue!

Proposed translations

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not pertaining/irrelevance

two suggestions--depending on the text. Impertinence is now out of date as it tends to mean rude or offensive.
Note from asker:
thanks David. How about non-pertinence?
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "thanks everyone. I used various dfferent translations for this depending on how and where it appeared in the text, as it seems their is no perfect adjective in English."
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foreignness

I would suggest the use of this term in your second example because both "ajeno" and foreign have the same shades of meaning. Thus, it would be ... is its foreignness to the business (or enterprise).
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lack of responsibility

I think Smarttrans "lack of involvement" is good too
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+1
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alienness

I believe that “alienness” is used with a similar meaning in philosophy of law.

Best regards,
Manuel
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• adjective: not contained in or deriving from the essential nature of something (Example: "An economic theory alien to the spirit of capitalism")

• adjective: being or from or characteristic of another place or part of the world (Example: "Alien customs")
http://www.onelook.com/?w=alienness&ls=a


Main Entry: 1alien
Pronunciation: 'A-lE-&n, 'Al-y&n
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin alienus, from alius

1 a : belonging or relating to another person, place, or thing : STRANGE b : relating, belonging, or owing allegiance to another country or government :

alien•ness /-lE-&n-n&s, -y&n-n&s/ noun

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=ali...
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managing another's affairs without a mandate

I haven't seen a snappier way of expressing this. If you find one, please let me know!

... of mandate.68; The gestor must act with the intention of managing the ... The management of affairs by the gestor must be conducted in a useful or ...
www.law.wits.ac.za/salc/discussn/dp-105-chapter6.doc

contract of mandate. 476. ♦. The gestor must act with the intention of managing the affairs of another. In addition, he or she must have the intention of ...
www.doj.gov.za/salrc/dpapers/ dp105_prj122/dp105_prj122_c06_adm_2004.pdf

In the civil law, the negotiorum gestor is one who spontaneously, and without authority, undertakes to act for another during his absence, in his affairs. ...
www.supremelaw.org/ref/dict/bldn1.htm

[I]n the archaic Roman law the patria potestas [paternal power] was the ... the conditions of the laws on the voluntary management of another's affairs. ...
faculty.law.lsu.edu/jrtrahan/ Persons/course_outline-III-rev.doc

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the business neutrality / affairs have been taken by a group of people (group action)

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Note added at 1 hr (2006-05-03 12:05:25 GMT)
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También puede ser: otherness
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fact that x is taken/done on another's behalf

I've been looking into some of my books on the Roman family and law and can't really find any one short, sexy phrase that would fit, but this is what kept coming to mind. Hope it helps.

The verb would of course change depending on the context, as might "another's" be changed for a more specific person.
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